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Summer bars hold 5 thousand plus people with special outdoor permits. I hope BELMAR is prepared. https://www.tapinto.net/towns/bayonne/categories/news/articles/six-flags-security-jackson-police-avert-potential-massacre
Imagine this in our crazy small town. https://www.tapinto.net/towns/belmar-slash-lake-como/sections/other-nj-news/articles/explosives-found-at-sea-bright-bar-and-near-south-plainfield-labor-day-parade-route-leads-to-arrest-of-south-plainfield-man
#1 proof that gun law restrictions do not stop those intent on killing or threatening to kill. Laws are for those afraid to break them.
Unlawful possession of weapons doesn’t mean laws can’t stop him. It just means the law isn’t strict enough in other states or online. He must have gotten all those pieces at a show or online. If you don’t want to tighten those laws, you’re as crazy as he is.
Don’t wear you seatbelt if you think it violates the right to drive your car. Go ahead and yell “fire” in a crowded movie theater if you feel your free speech dictates it. But I’m going to work harder for common sense gun laws than you are for your twisted version of 2nd amendment rights. There’s not one child who wants to die for your second amendment. Roller coasters are fun. Let’s keep it that way.
#4 wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens because criminals use guns to commit crimes. Punish the innocent.
If only Indiana would stop selling guns then the criminals in Chicago would stop committing gun crimes and then maybe they would stop committing crimes altogether.
Didn’t we solve the drug problem by outlawing drugs?
Take away guns from law abiding citizens? Why do you think I want to do that? Reread. This is insanity.
Drugs aren’t guns. And ya know what else? Anonymous doesn’t work well when trying to convince. Who are you?
Careful lists of names of those you disagree with are being created
#6 That’s a false equivalency. No one is talking about outlawing guns. There is overwhelming support in this country for common sense gun laws. Guns are purchased in states with lax laws and then make their way into inner cities (like Chicago) and into the hands of criminals. If congress would get behind a nationwide universal background checks and waiting periods and loop hole closures for gun shows and internet sales, would that really bother you? If it prevented even one mass shooting a year, would that offend your values? The fear tactic used by the NRA and others that the government is going to take your guns is just that, a fear tactic. We, as a nation have very little difficulty in enacting laws to protect the public when necessary. For some reason guns are so embedded in our American frontier ideals, that no one can approach the problem logically. You have to understand that people who are for stronger nationwide gun laws are not crack pots. They are people just like you that are tired of seeing innocent women and children gunned down in the streets. Dismissing them, and the idea that taking on this crisis in a serious way, is not going to change anything. It is also the responsibility for those of us that are for stricter nationwide gun laws to respect the folks who are concerned about their second amendment rights. Surely we can agree that there is a problem. And certainly we can agree that just offering prayers and sympathies with no substantive changes, is not acceptable.
Are the lists careful ones or are you saying careful, lists are being created?
More to the point – are you threatening me because of my opinion to close loopholes in the gun buying process so that crazy people can’t stockpile AR-15s? If so, now I get why you’re anonymous.
#8 I don’t tune in every day, but from what I’ve seen a list of people that Aileen disagrees with would look something like this . . . .
1. Anonymous
2. Anonymous
3. Anonymous
4. Anonymous
5. Anonymous
6. Anonymous
7. Tom Dilberger
8. Anonymous
9. Anonymous
10. Anonymous
hahahahahahahahahah!
They can take my real name out of my cold dead hands……..
Take a walk on Bradley Beaches Boardwalk and look at the old photos of Bradley they have up (before they take them down for the summer). One of the photos is of the Bradley youth rifle club (circa 1970s). So, the question is, why could they have a rifle club for teenagers then and not now? The answer is the new manner of living, plus the medication (anti depressants mostly) so many young people are on. Especially most of those involved in shooting their class mates. The “authorities” are very aware of this but suppress the info and blame the tool/gun rather than the reason/medications for teenage boys.
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There’s a very interesting website you can read about this on – ssristories.org.
Just a SHOT in the dark!
Require gun handling and gun safety license for every CITIZEN over 18!
Allow EVERY licensed adult to carry a concealed weapon!
Guaranteed will make a person think twice!
Just sayin…………
Aileen. Why bother. You are an intelligent thoughtful person. You will never convince close minded people to think out of the box. Stay strong. But trying to reason with the anonymous posters on this blog is a lesson in futility!
…and embarrassing that I do try. Thanks for reminder Katrina;)
A little history here (my apologies to those who despise logic).
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Both the Thompson sub-machine gun and Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) were developed in 1918-19. They were on the market to the general public in the 1920s-30s. The only known civilian uses was by bank robbers, John Dillinger, “Pretty Boy” Floyd, Boonie and Clyde, etc. and organized crime. In neither case was the general citizenry threatened as long as they didn’t interfere. So, we skip to 04/20/99, Columbine HS, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold who indiscriminately shot and killed many of their classmates. The question is, what was the difference between the afore mentioned criminals and the two murderers in the HS. This is the key, Eric Harris was known to be using SSRI antidepressant medications (turned down by the Marine Corps shortly before the shooting because he was on medication). It is supposed Dylan Klebold was on such medication as well, but his medical records were never revealed. It is the real reason for all these shootings nowadays as opposed to the aforementioned criminal activities.
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Please look at the website, ssristories.org.
It will give you a rundown on just how destructive these medications, Prozac, Ritalin, Xanax, etc. have been since their mass usage by teenagers and young adults. Boys and young men (15-27 yrs. of age)are known to be the most violent sector of all societies. So throw medication on top of their violent orientations and don’t be surprised at what you get.
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#14 – Very logical thinking. You will be severely castigated by the anti-logic crowd on this website.
Oh how much fun and productive this blog would be if all of the “Anonymous” posters were not allowed to post. Try it and watch this blog just go away.
Bravo PJ. Better yet require all serve a two year stint in military or quasi-volunteer fashion(Peace Corp, Red Cross). Require a DNA and fingerprint sample and also issue a handgun and cell phone at all turning 18 yoa. I’ ll save the the micro-chip in the neck for another topic. And someone please figure out why most US mass shooting are at the hands of young white men.
So what’s you’re point #17? There have been an ungodly number of mass shootings in the last 20 years. Some schools, some concerts, some public places, some work places. Are you suggesting that anti-depressant medications are to blame for all? That’s your logic? Ok. The gangsters of the 1920s and 30s didn’t kill anyone because no one “interfered”? They actually did kill some of the general citizenry but that’s just
collateral damage I guess. I think you meant to say that your post is actually for the people that despise logic.
Speaking of despising logic-
Pj and 19- Give every person turning 18 a hand gun? So everyone would think twice? Think twice before what exactly? The drunks a DJais would turn that place into a blood bath at the first sign of trouble. People would be shooting each other in grocery store lines. Are you both high?
Do you hate cops? Every SINGLE law enforcement agency in this country is IN FAVOR of stricter gun laws! It makes their job infinitely safer. Read, educate yourselves, check out the stats that exist on gun violence (include accidental family shootings and suicides) then check back with us on planet earth. We’ll be the ones mourning yet another mass shooting here in the US.
#9 “There is overwhelming support in this country for common sense gun laws.”
common sense gun laws is code for: ‘we have no statistics that backup what we are proposing will help in any way but you should pass it anyways’.
Mr./Mrs. Choke. Stricter gun laws inhibit law abiding people from defending themselves. We can not put a Police Officer in every movie theater or church. Criminals do not abide by laws. That’s what criminals do.
And, I am one of the rare, fortunate citizens of this state that are allowed to carry and use, if needed, a handgun on my person. And, if you happen to be lucky/unlucky enough to be in a church, at a concert or in a movie theater when a monster criminal with a gun threatens your life, you better pray to God that I am right there beside you, I have no fear to defend US, me and you. Oh, and yes, I do carry a handgun to my church. We need more people out there like me.
#18 – That’s about right. I have no idea why people are so fearful of saying who they are.
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#20 – No reason to explain further.
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#21 – BINGO
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#22 – I trust that you’re a good marksmen and shoot much better than the idiots in the urban centers who fire countless rounds seldom hitting their intended target.
#22 First of all, read my post. I was commenting to the folks that want everyone to carry a hand gun. Your brave, Clint Eastwoodesque, steady six shooter might not be so effective when everyone starts shooting. I think you watch too many movies. In Parkland Florida where the 17 people were gunned down, the trained, and yes, armed guard did nothing. He actually hid. So, John Wayne, I get that you think your cool as a cucumber and tough as nails but if you ever find yourself in a situation where an individual starts shooting with an automatic weapon, armed to the teeth, you don’t know what would happen. I’m suggesting that we never let that individual get his hands on such a weapon in the first place. You really disagree with that? And if you bothered to read my post you’d have read that every law enforcement agency in the country is for the stricter gun laws. They do not want more people out there like you. I’m with the police on this one.
Besides, I AM NOT ADVOCATING OUTLAWING GUNS. Don’t understand why that’s hard to sink in.
#21- What are you talking about? Have you seen the stats? Do you not agree with the entire law enforcement community? Your problem seems to be that you can’t separate the politics from this issue. You see it as black and white, red and blue, left and right. It’s not. It’s public safety plain and simple. It is and should be non-partisan.
#23- The D Man
Number 18 was actually saying they are FOR people posting anonymously.Pointing out that if no one could do it, the blog would ‘go away’. You appear to agree with that but then say “I have no idea of why people are fearful of saying who they are” That’s a contradiction. Since you are such a stickler for logic, please clarify.
To number 20’s point. So you think every mass shooting for the last 20 years is because of anti depressants? ‘No need to explain further’ seems to indicate that you do. I’d love to see the data on this.Please post the link to the scientific data. It’s pretty radical thinking. You have data, right? You didn’t just come up with that theory without any research, right? Of course not, that would be illogical.
Why would you assume that #22 is a good marksman? They may be just a regular person that walks around with a loaded gun concealed on their person. What could go wrong?
Sorry sir, I know how much you value logic and clear thinking so I wanted to give a chance to clear up those glaring inconsistencies. I look forward to your lucid response.
Thank you for your time.
#23 IF YOU HAVE A PERMIT TO CARRY A WEAPON IN N.J. YOU MUST QUALIFY TWICE A YEAR. IM SURE HE IS A GOOD SHOT.
#26 so are cops. Occasionally innocent people get hit, and sometimes killed. Shooting at a paper target with head phones on is not the same as dealing with an active live situation with real bullets and casualties.
This person is licensed in NJ to carry a gun and that is FINE. I do not think that EVERYONE should be allowed to do that. I don’t see how anyone would argue with that. There are people out there that shouldn’t even have a drivers license let alone a gun license. And I worry that if there is an incident on the streets with an active shooter and there is a civilian that it brandishing a gun in order to ostensibly stop the shooter, then the police on the scene may not understand the whole picture and fire at the civilian with the gun that is trying to help. That is precisely why the police DO NOT want civilians carrying concealed weapons. Again I am not advocating the banning of all guns. I understand people hunt and also shoot recreationally. That is FINE. But there should be universal background checks and waiting periods and the closure of loop holes in gun shows and internet sales across the country. That will help keep guns out of the hands of criminals. If a gun is easier to get, it is easier to put it into the black market. It’s not rocket science.
Again, I do not want anyone to take away your guns. We currently do not have a cohesive system of checks and balances for obtaining fire arms that is for the entire US. That’s ridiculous. We have nationwide regulations for buying and selling cigarettes for Pete’s sake. A nationwide system of background checks and loop hole closures and enforcement of laws on the books is just one measure among many measures that may help reduce the unacceptable amount of mass shootings in this country.
To all those anti-gun folks. More people have been kiiled via illegial drugs then guns. Johnson declared war on drugs in the 60’s. Well we lost that. People say that guns are purschased legally in other states and used in the inner cities. If that were the case the liberals would be citing that 24/7
Wow – It seems it may never change…..no matter how many times we say we’re not anti gun the propaganda they’ve heard drowns it out. Funny – no one’s yelling about the laws for obtaining a license to drive a car (another great invention that also kills). Yet we can’t even improve the laws to allow folks to own guns. When the little kids at Sandy Hook Elementary school died and nothing changed after that I knew we were in a moral and intellectual ditch. You guys are being sold down the river with this propaganda and your lemming behavior is gonna be the death of your grandchildren.
#28 when you use language like ‘anti gun folks’ you are already destroying the chance for honest debate. Wanting stricter laws around the purchasing of firearms is not anti gun. I AM NOT ANTI GUN. My God how many times does that need to be said? The illegal guns that find there way into the inner cities DO come from states with lax gun laws. It is a fact born out by the law enforcement statistics and is, in fact, cited 24/7 by the ‘liberal’ government officials and by, you guessed it, law enforcement officials. I don’t know why someone who wants to engage in this discussion doesn’t know that. It’s easy to find the published info.
Lastly, ‘more people have been killed via illegal drugs than by guns’. That my friend is the nuttiest statistic I’ve ever heard in my entire life. You really gonna stand by that? Tell you what, pick a starting point. Let’s say October of 1955. Do you really believe that more people were killed taking illegal drugs than were shot and killed by a gun in the time up to today? I could argue that more people have died from LEGAL drugs in that time period. Please don’t enter into the discussion with such patently dishonest talk. I get that you feel like for some reason stricter gun laws is an affront to your freedom. It’s not. Think on it. And let go of your political bias in this matter. It’s not helping.
#28 The ATF keeps and produces annually for each state data detailing traces of recovered fire arms. Here is a link to the ATF’s Tracing Report for the 4,034 firearms recovered in New Jersey in 2018.
https://www.atf.gov/file/137196/download
The stats detail the crime involved when the weapon was recovered, the city where the most weapons were recovered, and the 15 states that were the source of most of the weapons. Only 530 of the 4,034 firearms were from NJ. The six states that were the next highest sources were: PA (407); GA (258); VA (258); NC (238); SC (179); and FL (156). Not surprisingly, NY, which has tough gun laws like NJ was the source of only 53 firearms.
The ATF report does not identify what percentage of these guns were acquired illegally. I believe that’s because the ATF is not permitted by law to collect that information. But, it really wouldn’t matter to me if a loved one of mine wre victimized by someone with an illegal gun, or or who acquired it from a state with lax gun laws. There needs to be a uniform federal standard governing the sale of firearms, particularly those weapons and accessories that have the potential to inflict mass casualties.
All you anti gun folks forgot the 2nd Amendment to the constitution.. Legal drugs have saved plenty more lives than you would care to discuss. Why can cars travel at 140mph when the highest speed limit on roads is no more than 80mph. Go petition the Feds. People kill people guns don’t.
#31 I believe in states rights. BTW Most of the cities in this report are high crime cities with mostly deplorables living in them. This issue will continue until the demise of the country—–which is coming soon.
Ohhhhh Ken….you can’t trip them up with your “statistics” and “facts”. The liberals with their new manner of living are trying to make us totally defenseless and take away our freedoms.
See this and learn what the NRA has to say:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/tzcfhr/the-colbert-report-gun-control-backlash
Wow. Just, wow. Ok, uncle! You win Old Man. You’re not gonna be fooled by stats and facts and reason. Someone on here once said ‘never get in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent’. So I respectfully bow out of this one.
You must be a blast at cocktail parties.
Yeah, I feel bad for all those other countries with strict gun laws and virtually no mass shootings…..they must be so jealous of our freedoms. They’re not free to buy guns…oh wait they are (damn)……but, they’re not free to buy them if they’re nuts or without having to take a test!!
Like I said, freedom.
The founding fathers always knew the greatest threat to our liberties would come from government. That’s the real reason for “federal gun laws,” to disarm the American people. Also, the concept of congress making gun laws is a clear violation of the 10th Amendment, not that the lousy fedgov or lousy fed. judges give a rat’s butt about the constitution.
#35. Thank you for realizing you lost.
If you believe that, let’s do nothing everything is fine.
Once again, look at SSRISTORIES.ORG. That’ll tell you all you need to know about the influence of anti depressant medications on young people and all this mass shootings/killing going on.
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That’s different than what’s going on in the inner cities which is nothing but despair. Young men raised without a father figure and zero prospects in life – completely outside the general population.
Thank you Mr. Dilberger. We in Denmark know that the way to keep the peace is to help our people be happy. We offer free healthcare to all and provide other important services by taxing citizens 55% of their income. We have the lowest crime of all countries. I’m sure you’ll help your country with their new manner of living so that miserable people won’t buy AR-15s and shoot masses of people.
hahah Old Man- I love you. Despite your inability to understand and process information. Despite your inability to recognize sarcasm. Despite your inability to open your closed mind. Despite your inability to see the truth. And despite your inability to think critically. I love you. You are one of God’s creatures and, therefore, a miracle.
#37- You realize that the federal government includes the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines (and coast and national guards), right? You don’t seem like the brightest bulb but surely you understand that the armed forces is part of the federal government.
If they want to take your guns, they will take your guns. You could stockpile for the next decade, you ain’t stopping them.
So please, if you want to join the debate, let go of that tired old “defend ourselves against the feds” routine. It’s not realistic and it’s based on a false premise.
#41 Any good ideas on how to prevent people from over dosing on illegal drugs.
#44 Studies show needle exchanges work well.
The NRA is vehemently opposed to any kind of police sponsored gun exchange. Where people bring in their guns (legal and illegal) for money. No idea why they’re opposed but they are. Bad for business I suppose. Oh and make no mistake, the NRA is a business. Just look up some recent news articles about miss appropriation of members funds on lavish gifts and meals for the leadership. Fascinating stuff.
Please stop with the false analogies.
That’s what you’re doing right? Comparing drugs with guns. It’s been explained to you a dozen times why that is a false equivalency, but you keep retreating into the ignorance bunker.
Let it go my man. You’re like the flat earthers. No amount of statistical evidence or fact based analysis will sway your beliefs. It’s fine.
I notice you never address the fact that all law enforcement agencies are for stricter national gun laws. Why not? You ignore that little fact. One of many but for some reason while you’re trotting out all your close minded tired talking points you never address that fact. It’s very telling.
#43 Check your history. No they will not take our guns. That simple. The Jewish people gave up their guns to the Nazi’s. The country won’t last more than 25 more years anyway.
#44- Sure, Legalize fentanyl, ask China to please reduce and regulate the dosage concentrations, then tax it. It can pay for the free health care for illegal immigrants and free college.
Hey chicken Choker, are you proposing politely asking all criminals to participate in a gun exchange for the good of mankind?? Now I know you’re nuts. And law enforcement agencies are also against legalizing marijuana. You see where that’s going.
#43 – “You realize that the federal government includes the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines (and coast and national guards), right?”
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Yes I do realize sir/madam. So let me ask you if you realize who the said armed forces members take an oath of allegiance to? I’ll answer for you. They take the oath to the Constitution of the US (the essence of the nation). If a president is in violation of the constitution it is their duty to disobey a president’s orders. So don’t be too over confident combat units (which are made up of mostly fine young Americans) will obey
unconstitutional orders to disarm the American people.
And we still have more guns than they do.
#49 If they have orders to disarm an individual or a group that is deemed dangerous or suspect or what ever, they will do so. And they have. They typically don’t need even the armed forces, just the ATF or FBI and local law enforcement. Branch Davidian anyone?
Citizens have guns (and yes the amount of guns circulating among citizens is in the millions) they do not have tanks, planes, missiles, or trained personnel.
If the president disregards the constitution and the military leadership does not follow orders that they see as unjust, then you don’t need guns because no one will follow the clearly unfit orders of a president that is clearly unfit. If they, for some reason, do follow the orders of a president that disregards the constitution, then an individual’s collection of guns won’t stop the military. The point is that the ‘defend yourself against the feds’ argument is not a legitimate argument when discussing the enhancement or gun laws.
I am NOT talking about taking away peoples guns. I am really shocked at how many times that needs to be said.
I am just talking about keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of individuals who intend to harm other individuals or themselves. That involves closing some loopholes and doing a background check on every person that wishes to buy a gun. Are you really against that? If you are, then I don’t know what else to say. The amount of mass shootings and even person on person shootings in this country is an embarrassment. It really is. Anyone who loves this country should see it as unacceptable. I know I do. And I don’t think we should let our political considerations and ideology prevent us from doing what needs to be done. This issue should not be a partisan one. It is a moral imperative and a crisis that deserves our attention.
#48 I’m nuts? I merely said that the NRA is against gun exchanges. Some cities do them and the usually collect a significant number of guns. Which means that many less guns on the street. It is NOT a cure all and I never said it was.
Just pointing out the absurdity of the illegal drug and gun analogy. You, like the other people against any kind of strengthen of gun laws, pick out one small sentence and use it to invalidate my argument. AND you misinterpreted it. I never said ‘politely ask’ I never said ‘mankind’, and I never said ‘propose’. Gun exchanges have been used in cities for years. I didn’t just make it up. I get the sense from your post that you think I just made it up. God I hope that’s not the case. Please read the post carefully next time. And if you want to have a discussion about this issue, do some research and learn even some basic facts. Then I’ll be happy to discuss
Law enforcement is against legalizing marijuana- yes, and? So since they are being disregarded on the smoking of illicit plants we should disregard them about dangerous people obtaining guns? Explain your point. So you’re ok with just ignoring the law enforcement community? Now I know YOURE nuts. Thanks for sharing though.
Like I said, we don’t need to do anything. Everything is fine until the next time.
Choker. I can tell you first handedly that the “significant number of guns” you speak about are either inoperative or are antiques, not your AK47’s that you would wish the criminals would turn it. The program is a “feel good” opportunity for your county Sheriff and local politicians. A waste of money and time. Almost like giving free measles shots to your Orthodox community to eradicate an epidemic. Murders continue to happen in Chicago, and Asbury Park.
Again like I said everything is fine until the next time.
#51 – Maybe, maybe not as far as the military disarming people and groups. Sir, madam, respectfully, I’d guess you have no idea of the dynamics of what goes on in a military squad/platoon. They are little societies within themselves. That includes the officers at that level. While some units might obey unconstitutional orders, others might choose to disobey. Your concept of “military leadership” (I guess you mean the brass) is also mistaken. For the most part, they don’t give a rat’s behind about the men in the combat units (likewise, the men in the combat units are fully aware of the attitude of the brass towards them). The brass’ only concern is to get their pension and a job with a defense contractor after they retire.
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Having said that, please look at SSRISTORIES.ORG
#54- I’ll say it again- I can’t believe I HAVE TO say it again- but I’ll say it again: I DO NOT THINK THAT GUN EXCHANGES WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I WAS MAKING A POINT ABOUT THE ABSURDITY OF THE GUN VERSUS ILLEGAL DRUG ANALOGY. I WAS ALSO POINTING OUT THE THE NRA IS AGAINST GUN EXCHANGES.WHICH IS CRAZY. Why is it that you folks that disagree with that I’m saying don’t take the time to actually read what I’m saying? I’m happy that you have had the opportunity to sit in on all the gun exchanges that have taken place throughout the country over the years and therefore know “first handedly” what gets turned in. So if you say they are a waist of time and money, then, ok fine, the cops can decide if they want to keep doing them. But that is what is called a red herring (using a non-issue to distract from the real one). The issue isn’t about gun exchanges (it never was), it’s about closing loopholes and universal background checks.Of all the comments blasting me, not one has addressed those two issues. Not one. That speaks volumes. It’s either “If we don’t have guns, we cant defend ourselves!” or “Gun exchanges don’t work!” or “If the Jews in the Warsaw ghettos had guns maybe they would’ve defeated the third reich!”. All dazzling arguments, if I had said we need to round up all the guns in the country, or if I said that gun exchanges will solve the problem once and for all, or if I said that I was glad that the Warsaw Jews didn’t have guns. But I didn’t say any of those things. If you want to have an earnest discussion about this issue, then let’s have one.
Like 55 says, “everything is fine until next time”. In the meantime keep distracting yourselves with nonsense while innocent people are gunned down.
Thank you Mr Dilberger for the lesson on military protocol that is based on your generalizations and opinions about people. I assume you spent time in the armed forces as a younger man. I never did, admittedly, but members of my family have fought in every war since WW1 with a few dying on the battlefield in WWII and Vietnam Nam. I’ve heard stories about the military and how it’s run my entire life. I guess you and I could go back and forth over our perception of what would happen in a hypothetical scenario involving a Hollywood movie type military coup situation but I don’t think we should bother because I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT EVERYONE’S GUNS BE TAKEN AWAY!!!!!!! For the love of all that is holy will you all read that sentence and burn it into your memory banks. Stop arguing as if that’s what I’m suggesting. I have had it with you ignoring my point and making up false arguments. It’s exhausting.
However Mr D, in the spirit of actually paying attention to the point my debate opponent is trying to make, I will check out that website and read it thoroughly and seriously to try to understand your thoughts on anti-depressants and their connection to mass shootings. If the problem can be solved by banning all forms of anti-depressant medications? Then I am 100% on board with that. As the General in the movie ‘War Games’ said, ‘Hell I’d piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good’.
Hang in there GC and know that Mr. Dilberger has never served in the military nor been in a war. If he had, he’s say so. Also, he either isn’t a father, or is a bad one who’s estranged from his kids. I believe that because he won’t answer the question “are you a father”….a question posed after his diatribes about how terrible kids are today because of this new manner of living. It can be funny to witness his comments but it’s also quite a shame there are too many people like him who vote.
the United States won 110 medals in shooting events at the 2016 Summer Olympics (M&F)… followed by China (56) and Soviet Union (49).
#60- We do really well in basketball and swimming too.
Thank you for the welcomed change of subject.
#58 – First of all, thanks much for looking at SSRISTORIES.ORG. You’re the only one who has consented to look at that site. Once again Sir/Madam, thanks much o that
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As far as “I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT EVERYONE’S GUNS BE TAKEN AWAY!!!!!!!” People aren’t against background checks but it’s my belief that the federal government is only using that concept as a first step in disarming the citizenry. And they’re using good people like yourself to push their agenda. Once the citizens are disarmed, then the sky’s the limit as far as government tyranny. My idea is [Question everything, believe noting]. If the government says it, rule of thumb is, it’s a lie.
The slippery slope argument. Got it.
So universal background checks and stopping nuts from buying guns at gun shows and on the internet will lead to and eventual situation where government agents go door to door and take everyone’s guns? Why this wasn’t done during the 10 years (10!) that there was an actual ban on assault weapons is beyond me. Maybe the government just couldn’t get it together to go door to door during those 10 years. Anyway, once the citizens are disarmed (I assume this will take some time), the sky’s the limit for tyranny?
Mr D- I know you have conviction and I know that you are serious person. But please go back and reread read what I just summarized. Do you really think that I’M the one being used? It’s also the argument used against regulation to curb pollution. Somehow it’s a powergrab to stop corporations from polluting our sky’s and waterways.
I know this will be hard for a person like you to accept, but youre being duped. And worse, your being duped by forces that are just as politically driven as those you despise. The main difference is that the people duping you don’t give a rats ass about the safety and health of you or your family. They care about money and little else. Follow your own advice, question everything. The government is not the only institution that lies. In the meantime, when the government guys come knocking looking for your guns (who will they be? CIA, FBI, IRS?) just hide them in the freezer. They’ll never look in there.
Mr D- I went to the ssri stories website. You’re right, it’s fascinating reading. There are a lot of stories claiming that anti-depressants can lead to violent behavior. Of particular interest was the Oxford study that found a link between ssri drugs and homicides and suicides. It’s interesting because it was a 5 year study and it’s Oxford university. However, the doctor that performed the study admitted that a link is not the same as a cause. It’s part of the rigorous world of scientific research. He also admits that there is ample scientific evidence that depression untreated can also cause an individual to harm himself or others.
While I agree with you in regards to the idea the we are definitely over medicating children, I don’t, after reading many of the stories and studies, believe that anti-depressants can be blamed for all mass shootings. The Columbine shooter (Dylan) was reportedly prescribed luvox but there is no evidence that he ever took it. The tox screen during autopsy showed no drugs or alcohol in his system.
Anyway, I promised I check it out and that’s my two cents. Let’s try universal background checks and close internet and gun show loopholes. Also invest in psychiatric care and social service needs so that these folks don’t fall through the cracks. If it does nothing to reduce the obscene amount of slaughter, then I’ll apologize and move on.
Again – thanks GC. Links vs. cause is such an important point. In the summer in the city, violent crime rates go up. Ice cream consumption goes up too. Is ice cream the CAUSE of violent crime? Of course not.
Mr. Dilberger, while it’s good to read studies, it can also be easy to fall for deductive fallacies when you are reading what you want to hear. Studies of studies – meta-data is what we need if we’re going to prove something.
And GC – it’s also easy for people to reject efforts to thwart mass shootings if they hate most of humanity. Maybe that’s why his objectivity has become perverted.
That’s all great people. But can anyone please tell me why most American mass shootings are at the hands of young white males, or does no one really care???? My gut says it’s violent video games or the like but I am laughed at for suggesting so. We will see someday.
#66- That is a question for the scientists and psychologists. Young white men are certainly not the only demographic that takes anti-depressants. Quite a few of the recent mass shootings are racially motivated by angry, young, white men (Aug 3rd El Paso Walmart for instance. 22 people killed due to their skin color)
There have been many studies on the effect of violent video games on young men and woman but most show no evidence that there is a correlation. Don’t know if there is a clear answer.
#66 – Yes Sir/Madam. It’s all tied together. Yes, it’s mostly White boys, but there are a few Asian boys as well (that young guy at VaTech). It has to do with the new manner of living. I don’t think anything good can come from a boy sitting, playing endless computer games – very unhealthy in every way. Once again, it didn’t used to happen, now it does. What’s the key? The new manner of living.
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“I don’t think anything good can come from a boy sitting, playing endless computer games” he says. Yet he’s tied to his screen, posting here constantly and sending YouTube videos about how to do things instead of doing them. There are myriad programs in Monmouth county that teach these things – does he get involved? Hmmmmmm. According to his logic, he could be the next mass shooter.
Many people got sick from vaping and a whopping 6 people died. POTUS banned flavored vaping altogether. But we can’t even close loopholes in the gun buying biz.
Not even asking to ban guns like POTUS banned flavored vaping…..just want to close loopholes.
Those vaping companies have to get better lobbyists like the NRA has.
Yeah, that’s the ticket – ban vapes. That’s all we need the ultimate morons/fedgov getting involved. I see them setting a whole new agency with Matt as the director. I can see them setting up the agency HQs in downtown Camden. It’ll be great for “jobs.” What a bunch of nitwits.
Mr D- You think it’s ok for companies to produce a product that has sickened a number of people and literally killed a few? I think that they should have to answer for that. I’m all for personal responsibility but these things don’t say anywhere on the packaging that ‘this product may kill you very quickly with a pulmonary infection’. This is precisely the point of federal agencies like the FDA. They are the reason that deaths from the food we eat and drugs we take are relatively rare. The FDA is made up of physicians and scientists that are dedicated to consumer protection. I get that the federal gov makes mistakes and waists time and money but our form of government has also done some tremendous good. I understand your frustration and also your desire to dismiss the whole institution, but in this case I think we should be thankful that we have independent agencies that hold these companies accountable.
#72 – “You think it’s ok for companies to produce a product that has sickened a number of people and literally killed a few?”
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Put a warning label on it and faughett’aboudit, just like tobacco and booze.
Fast Swing Dance – ULHS 2006 – YouTube
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On rainy days, the boys should be doing this indoors with the girls. But the scool “teechurs” (usual suspects) should in any way be allowed to instruct the boys and gurls in this. Don’t be scared looking at all this furious movement.
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Put a warning label that says ‘this product will give you a fatal lung infection possibly in a few days’?
As you know cigarettes and booze can take years to kill you. This is slightly different, but ok that works. By the way, you know who is in charge of putting warning labels on things? The big bad feds.
I guess they do things you like from time to time.
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