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24 Comments
I love you Dave!! And Karen too!!
Hello Dave, Looking good. Like you, I agree with her on foreign policy as well but will not be voting for her if by remote chance she got the nomination.
A Democrat- Dave, I love it. She’s smart, tough, honest, a combat vet, and someone who actually understands regular folks. In other words- she is everything that Trump is not. Her foreign policy position lines up with your libertarian leanings. Her domestic and social positions are slightly left of center but ‘moderate’. Glad to see you met.
Mr Dilberger, I know she has two strikes against her- dark and female- but since those are two characteristics that she literally has no control over, do some research on her. You may be surprised.
I don’t necessarily think that wanting single payer healthcare is only “slightly” left of center, but among the Dems only she and Andrew Yang seem to me as being at all sincere. The others I can’t even listen to. And I was very glad to learn last night that she reads Stephen F. Cohen and that he has endorsed her.
I don’t think the Democratic Party would ever allow her to win the nomination. They’re probably already cheating her the same way they cheated Bernie Sanders last time.
You may be right about the machine backing a different candidate. This isn’t the place to debate the merits of single payer healthcare but I will say that it is insane that a country like ours does not have a single payer plan.
I do not see it as a partisan issue. It is not the government controlling your health care decisions, it is simply a national provider that we all pay into so that we all absorb the costs. The health care part of it is handled by a health care company (just like medicare is). Anyway I probably started a sh#@ storm with that but I’m in the healthcare industry and I have lived and breathed this stuff for almost two decades.
Glad to see you at least engaging the candidates, Dave- we should ALL take a page from that book.
To all the people who talk about the health care in Sweden or Denmark or wherever…these countries don’t have military bases in 120 countries and a hundred thousand troops fighting regime-change and counter-insurgency wars all over the planet.
The wherever in the sentence ‘Sweden, Denmark, or wherever…’ is every other industrialized country. Every one. Some of them also have troops all over, none are nearly as wealthy as us. However, I do not see how the two are remotely connected. Should we get rid of Medicare? Interstate highway system? Social security? FDIC? National Parks? All until we no longer have troops stationed around the globe? Those troops only go to places where OUR interests are in jeopardy by the way. Unless there is oil in the ground or precious medals or it lies in a necessary geographical location- we stay away. Those ‘interests’ are the interests of large private corporations, not the government itself. We the people bankroll the various interventions around the globe because they serve the needs of oil companies, manufacturers, and banks.
Anyway, I don’t see why we would connect basic health care to that geopolitical hornets nest. There is no reason Kim Kardasian should have access to better health care than an Iraq war vet who drives a bus. That is the current system. And it is wrong no matter how you look at it or your political affiliation. I do not see it as a partisan issue.
We spend more on military than the rest of the world combined. No other country spends anything even remotely close. And we had a democratic constitutional republic when the rest of the world still had kings, czars and emperors so who cares what the rest of the world is doing? We are supposed to be freer than the rest of the world and btw, we have better healthcare than anywhere else in the world. And while I do believe we owe our veterans top notch healthcare, one way I would save money on that in the long term is to have a lot fewer war veterans who we would then be obligated to care for.
#3-Purple. You should not assume she is a female and I, sorry but, no longer see color in people. Either way it should not matter.
#5-Blue. “so we all absorb costs”????? Well I am tired of paying for everyone else’s needs. Leave my pocketbook alone.
#7-Purple. Some people should try living in another country for awhile (and hopefully never come back)
The best healthcare? How come so many go broke when faced with cancer? Why do we pay many times more than the rest of industrialized nations for healthcare? Is health care only for the wealthy? Even when you have insurance, getting them to pay is a full time job on top of being sick and trying to do your actual job. Must be nice to be so privileged. My entire life the cost of my insurance has gone up while the out of pocket did as well. Boomers have no idea. I hope you all don’t get sick and lose it all.
Best healthcare? why is our life expectancy so low? http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/life-expectancy-by-country/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sally-pipes-dont-believe-everything-you-read-american-health-care-isnt-lagging-behind
OK.. That is why we need freaking go fund me to pay our medical bills when we get sick. An opinion piece from Fox News is your proof? Again – Boomer – you got yours through your job.. in my entire work experience – my deductions always went up, along with co-pays and coverage went down. At least my Boomer Aunt got it – she never paid into her insurance, the company she worked for did. The company she worked for for most of her adult life – younger people have not had that experience. This piece you shared is bullshit.
Please just leave my healthcare out of your plans. I’m happy with what I have.
#13- Apparently you haven’t learned the trick yet. Change you name to Jose Ramirez, illegally here from Mexico, and you pay NOTHING. You won’t even need your 6 points of ID for a license. And please leave my $10 co-pay alone. Oopps. Sorry. Gotta run. Another one of those free rectal screenings.
Hey 2nd Ave. Sorry to hear Obama Care isn’t working out for you. Too bad Hillary lost, she would have given you Hillary 2.0. I’ve got a novice idea. Let’s spend 54 gazillion dollars (actually trillion) and lay off 2 billion people (actually million). That’ll work.
#16 Warren and AOC are running on that plan.
I agree with Warren/Pocahantas on the her “student debt” stand even though I’d never vote for her in a million years.
there will always be timely … quality healthcare for those who can afford it.
Canada has a national system costing about $6,500 per person/year … good? … border hospitals in Buffalo, NY are having a field day with Canadian cash business.
Fact- The healthcare out-comes in US are no better than the rest of the industrialized world.
Fact- Cost in US is more than twice as much per patient than other industrialized countries.
Fact- For every dollar going to Medicare- about 80 cents goes to patient care, about 20 cents goes to administrative costs. For every dollar that goes to private ins providers (BCBS, Aetna, United Health, etc) about 40 cents goes to patient care and about 60 cents goes to administrative costs (executive salaries).
I have family in Canada- Healthcare is not a divisive topic in that country. In fact it’s not a topic at all. They get sick, they go to the doctor.
If you put aside your political blinders you’ll see how much a one payer system makes sense.
How do we pay for it you commie?!?!?
Glad you asked:
Average family pays about $1000 per month IF they are lucky enough to have it through an employer. That’s pretty crappy coverage and usually has high deductibles. Let’s say it’s a healthy family and they only visit the doctor for check ups and there are no major med bills. That’s $12,000 plus lets be conservative and say $1000 out of pocket for the year. So your in for $13,000 and you’re healthy.
Now, let’s not forget that the company you work for is also contributing to your plan. Usually about half- so they are on the hook for about 10-12k per employee per year. Less if the employee is single no family (lucky).
So between you and your company- the ins company is getting about $24,000 per year. Not bad.
Now- Let’s take all the people in the US including all the healthy people that don’t get health insurance. Large pool. Now in order to pay for the new one payer plan, everyone will have to pay a tax. Now before you freak out, let’s remember that you are already paying $13,000 a year and your company is paying about $10,000 PER EMPLOYEE.
So- if i can reduce my premiums to say $250 per month with much better coverage, I will gladly pay a higher tax. Even if my healthcare tax was $6000 a year, I’m still less than half of what I was paying. AND think of all the companies that no longer have to contribute to their employees health insurance premiums. They too would be happy to pay higher taxes and still be saving a fortune. It would release the drag that has been on companies and free people up to be entrepreneurs. And when you have a huge number of healthy people in the pool- costs are kept down. Will some members of society get healthcare for free? Yes. But they do now so what’s the difference?
This is not a partisan issue. It’s change, and change is hard for some people. It makes financial sense and it makes logical sense. If anyone has a real disagreement with those numbers, let’s hear it. But please no irrelevant comments like “Hillary lost!” or ‘Socialism’ or “go live somewhere else”. This is a serious problem in this country and we need to solve it. We of course need to change the way we provide healthcare in this country also-but one problem at a time.If you are over 65 and currently enjoy Medicare, then you know this makes sense. If not, call a private insurer and ask how much you premiums would be if you wanted to forgo Medicare and get your own insurance. Just make sure you are sitting down when you do.
Mr Creamer is right- We have available quality healthcare to those who can afford it. But every year more and more Americans cannot.
#20- I will be polite and terse:
#1- Please don’t mention the word tax.
#2- What do you do with the administrative jobs that will be lost. Apparently you don’t have one.
#3- I presently pay no premium to my insurance and am happy with my coverage. What do I get out of this? I fear I will have to pay a tax for the good of others. I am tired of that.
#21 Thank you for being polite. It is lost these days
#1 Sorry for calling it a tax. It can be called anything really. We pay premiums to ins so we can call it a premium if that sounds better.
#2 Industry jobs are lost all the time. Other industries arise from the ashes. The current system is a major drag on the economy and any administrative jobs lost, although a shame, the economy will correct. (think typewriter manufacturers, hand animators, steel mills, camera makers etc)
#3 I have never met another American human being that pays no premium and is happy with their coverage. And I’ve been in the healthcare industry for 20 years. That is awesome. You either work for the government or have the most generous employer in the history of mankind. Your situation is unique to say the least. There, of course, could be an ‘opt out’ option. You would have to prove that your coverage is legit and in place. I hope that is acceptable. You are currently paying for the good of others. Believe it or not, this plan would actually reduce the amount of money you pay for others.
I am a middle class tax payer too. I have a family and I have no ax to grind. Your 3 points are understood and I hope I’ve answered them. I see you didn’t dispute the numbers and that’s more than half the battle.
#21 do you also worry about local stores going out of business when you purchase things from amazon?
#22 in 2019 my family premiums 21,000.00 out of pocket hit 15,000.00 health insurance is what will make me work till the day I die
#23 I think the concern that #21 expressed about administrative staff possibly losing their jobs was tongue in cheek.
As for your out of pocket costs- I feel your pain. Heaven forbid you are a working stiff and you have a chronic illness like diabetes. Or even worse, your child does. You are screwed. Unless you are in the top 10% of earners, most of your income will go to simply caring for your child.
By the way, you won’t have to work til you die. We have an excellent national healthcare program for those over 65. It too was met with vehement opposition when it was first proposed. But boy oh boy, without it we’d have some serious problems. We get closer to a national healthcare program for all every day. It’s a good thing.
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