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Complainers Had Their Chance

Just saying…I complain a lot about the Council but I ran three times to try to get on the Council and do something about the problems I saw.

 

BTW, how does a “newcomer” seek a “third term”?

64 Comments

  1. Anonymous plus 1 wrote:

    Coming to the defense of your BOE realtor? Nice.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 7:37 am | Permalink
  2. admin wrote:

    If you disapprove of the job she’s doing you should run when she’s up for reelection

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 8:19 am | Permalink
  3. Anonymous wrote:

    I wouldn’t worry about OUR agent winning her BOE seat.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 8:30 am | Permalink
  4. Tracy Bean wrote:

    To the complainers defense, I completely understand where they are coming from. Many of the BES parents are just realizing now that their children are entering high school how far behind the Belmar school system is. Jim and I withdrew our son in the fourth grade because we were not happy with the education he was receiving. We could not afford private school, so I homeschooled him. He is now entering his Junior year at Christian Brothers, has been attending on scholarship since his Freshman year and takes Honors classes. So we did well. But if you go to the Plaza on Friday nights and talk to the parents, they are not at all happy with BES. Many of them have multiple children attending the school. Parents who have older children in magnet schools were a bit surprised a few years ago when their child failed the math portions of the entrance examinations (the Resident in previous post was correct btw). Now their younger children who graduated and are entering Freshman year at the magnet schools also failed the math portions, with ironically the same grades. When the parents all got together, they discovered every Belmar child has for the last few years failed the math portions. When one parent asked the Superintendent of their particular magnet school about this, they were told Belmar kids typically fail because they are not taught the same curriculum as the other schools. Now talk at the Plaza revolves around what these parents are going to do with their children who still attend the school. I do not blame parents for being furious and lashing out on your blog. I would love to see a change at the school, the kids of our town deserve it, though I would never change what I did. I love homeschooling! But I think if people do keep the noise up something will have to be done.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 9:05 am | Permalink
  5. Tracy Bean wrote:

    I would also like to say a little something about Tom Dilberger, though I know he does not care what I or anyone else on this blog has to say about him. That is one of his traits that I greatly admire. I hate to ruin his reputation, but he is an incredibly kind, caring and generous man. He spends his time these days volunteering at a number of charities and improving the lives of the impoverished. He learned that we homeschooled our son, so when Max was 12 Tom asked if he would be interested in volunteering in town at a local charity organization one day a week. He took Max under his wing and Max learned so much from his commitment and selflessness to those in need. I remember speaking to one woman who never liked Tom, she knew him from speaking up at school board meetings. Then one day her son’s school called her to tell her that they received a very gracious note about her son and his outstanding volunteer work. Come to find out that Tom Dilberger had sent a letter praising her son’s efforts to the school without any provocation. He just sent it because he was very impressed by him. Tom also works and tries to help people in the surrounding communities, he gives talks and lectures in local libraries about military operations and will give you the shirt off his back if you need it. He is a shoot from the hip guy, no holds barred. Agree with him or not, he is an outstanding individual and asset to the community.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:28 am | Permalink
  6. ALL TRUMPED UP wrote:

    I would love to hear from our cheerful Clare on her opinion regarding this issue. She has a wealth of knowledge on BES. We haven’t heard from her in a while.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:37 am | Permalink
  7. Average Joe wrote:

    I guess , based at what Tracy said, BES needs a complete change over. Either that or dumb down all the other kids. BTW I don’t know Tom D. but I wouldn’t want to fight him. Seems like a old school tough guy.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 11:12 am | Permalink
  8. An Observation wrote:

    The Belmar Elementary School will never be a highly rated school like Millburn, West Windsor, or Westfield etc.,unless taxes increase to hire the best and brightest Teachers. Nothing will change no mater who runs the BOE.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 11:24 am | Permalink
  9. Summer Timer wrote:

    Tom is correct on many issues as related to this blog…. Its just that his delivery is extremely HARSH!!! But he is usually right on….

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 11:30 am | Permalink
  10. Summer Timer wrote:

    #8…. The reason schools you named have high test scores is not because the school system is doing a better job than Belmar…. Its because those affluent towns can afford tutoring… You would be shocked at the amount of tutors employed in big money communities….

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
  11. admin wrote:

    Also the parents are more involved and also highly educated themselves

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 1:30 pm | Permalink
  12. OLD MAN wrote:

    #8 Correct Throw more money at the problem. White liberals are just nuts

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
  13. Anonymous wrote:

    Dont get me wrong Belmar has come along way and I am always noticing improvements to older homes that use to be just rented party homes and as cheap winter rentals. But I think an issue for the schools in the transient residents, that jump all over the town, it creates disruption for their children but also disrupts the enter class of children. In the middle at all times throughout the school year. So maybe a possible solution will be overtime as people notice what a gem belmar is to live at and we encourage and attract a different type of crowd to come into call Belmar their homes, as oppose to the drifters and party goers that dont respect let alone contribute to the community, we will see an improvement in the education system. When you have a classroom full of children and more then half of them going into the school do not speak english and the teacher has to add that to their to do list, one it is very unfair for the children that already speak english, but two it is taking away from the time to teach the required lessons. There are only so many hours in a day. If you fall behind early on in education it is difficult and stressful to catch up. My other thought until that could happen would be test into first grade, and stay in pre-k/kindergarden until you can start in first grade, this way in first grade if you start all kids being at the same level you have a better chance to get through what is in the curriculum to teach.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
  14. Anonymous wrote:

    Perhaps the town should start a program for retirees to offer math tutoring to students or English language skills.
    Also..If math scores are terrible do math teachers get good reviews???

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 4:33 pm | Permalink
  15. Anonymous wrote:

    13: excellent suggestions.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
  16. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    #13 – your idea of testing the children is good except the school officials can’t allow anything like that. The minorities would not do well and all the years of educators lies would be exposed. So there’re not going to be any such tests.
    #14 – Sir/madam, The problem is many of the children just aren’t up to the math and everyone in the school[s] know it. As far as the teachers reviews are concerned, as long as they don’t spill the beans as to what’s going on in BES, they’re reviews will be fine.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 6:39 pm | Permalink
  17. Brian Pringle wrote:

    All three of my kids went there. Can’t say enough good things about BES. My little one is going to be a Senior at Squan this fall.
    Ranked 15th in her class..All AP classes..pretty good in Math too..she would of passed any test for a magnet school..she looked at all those schools and private and decided squan was her fit…

    Want to thank Mr. Shapiro of BES the Math teacher for preparing her for Squan and Mr. Batagglio of Manasquan for pushing her for excellence.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 8:26 pm | Permalink
  18. Aileen Fahy wrote:

    Tracy, what you hear in Pyanoe Plaza about kids getting a subpar curriculum at BES may seem like scientific data, but actually, curriculum guidelines are the same as all schools throughout our nation. It’s called the Common Core Curriculum, was designed to level the playing field, was bashed by Republicans and right wing media, and is alive today under a different name. Private and parochial schools don’t use it and aren’t subject to PARCC tests. I’ve seen portions of the PARCC at an event BES hosted. It’s pretty comprehensive. We’ll never know how St. Rose, for example, compares to us without using the same test. But, regular tutoring for tests among the middle and upper class is huge.

    What you did worked for your son because you are an incredibly devoted mom, and I admire you. Good for your son, and our community;)

    Economically disadvantaged kids = poor test scores, no matter how you slice it. Kids who used vouchers to get out of their inner city schools all across the country did even worse at their private and wealthy public schools. Here’s a WSJ article about Milwaukee, but google many others too please.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-school-vouchers-work-milwaukees-experiment-suggests-an-answer-1517162799
    Yet, at a public school called RBR, with many poor kids from Red Bank (DREAMERS, kids in gangs), the 306 students received over 18 million dollars in scholarships. Let me know how much money the CBA class received and how many graduates. I’m interested. A great school, my brother loved it. I’d wager it’s in the ballpark but maybe even lower – even though a good portion of RBR students can’t afford tutors, let alone ask parents for help. My daughter is a graduate of BES and had no problem getting in to RBR, and was not behind in math or any other subject.

    Board members at BES are bound by the Dept. of Education, unions, big Tech and now a woman who would applaud the reduction in state aid: Betsy DeVos – not easy to make sweeping changes.

    Yet we still try. What else can we do?

    I think there are great teachers here, and our Superintendent is smart and totally approachable.

    The reduction in state aid was a change in the law over 10 years ago that hasn’t hit us yet. We and most schools have been “grandfathered in” so to speak. NJ knew that the funding formula would hurt many towns, so they’d hold harmless certain towns that needed it, which is why we haven’t seen such a big reduction till now.

    Belmar isn’t passing the buck to taxpayers. We are using our surplus. Meanwhile, our building is in need of repair, Lake Como is seeing a drop in students (that pay us tuition) and Manasquan can and does raise their tuition to us often. That isn’t bound by a 2% cap. So Manasquan can raise tuition but we can only raise taxes by 2%. We try really hard not to do that. This is why I really want that PILOT money.

    I’ll stop at this post. If you have questions I apologize not answering here – too busy at work. Just come to a meeting. Oh right, that’s what this post was about. But this blog isn’t always for learning or making change – more bitching I guess.

    Disclaimer: I may have misspoke about a minor detail, as mistakes can happen. If you find I have, don’t hesitate to come to a meeting or talk to me whenever you see me. All info is to the best of my knowledge.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 9:01 pm | Permalink
  19. DilbergerRecord wrote:

    Of course he’s complex, like most people.

    But if a photo of you was posted on this site of you wearing a cut off shirt, jean shorts and sneakers (a perfectly fine outfit and one you’d wear), you can be sure he’d have a misogynistic, and just plain stupid post about your entire person.

    Glad you see the good Dilberger. Not surprised a nugget of good exists in him. I haven’t seen it yet.

    Friday, August 3, 2018 at 9:06 pm | Permalink
  20. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    #18 – I will agree that people should go to the boe meetings. It’s a hoot. The lies hang over the room air like low cloud cover.
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    You’re not bound by anything the Unconstitutional Dept. of Ed says.
    You didn’t mention the boe’s criminal behavior in harboring the children of the criminal illegal aliens. Of course, there’s nothing we can do, but the the gig is up – we know.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 6:34 am | Permalink
  21. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    #19 – and just plain stupid post
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    And just what’ve you got against stupidity? Most of the smartest people I know are stupid.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 6:41 am | Permalink
  22. Summer Timer wrote:

    See link…. https://patch.com/new-jersey/ridgewood/how-much-does-each-n-j-school-student-cost-new-figures-released
    It states cost to educate a student in Belmar system is 19.1k per year… But look at budget on we site…. Total revenue 13.6 million and there are 521 students…. The math says it costs 26k per student…. Its not just Belmar, the NJ public school system is not transparent…. The numbers never work out in any data they present to the public….

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 6:58 am | Permalink
  23. Summer Timer wrote:

    I do not have access to the info as I am not at home base…. But the state uses what they call statistical methods when scoring tests…. Its is not like any statistic I have ever been introduced, but it makes the scores look better… So they lie to us about cost to educate a student and manipulate test scores… Is this a trust worthy institution????

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 7:14 am | Permalink
  24. Summer Timer wrote:

    Also look at the posted budget on the Belmar website… There is an employee listed that has a total compensation package of approximately 200k per year… That is insane for a school with 520 students… But again this is not a Belmar issue, it is a statewide crisis….

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 7:20 am | Permalink
  25. Summer Timer wrote:

    Just one other comment…. Many individuals believe that when an organization is failing its because they are underfunded… I can promise you that the failure of most organizations is poor performance, wrong strategy and mostly failed leadership…. You can double the funding of the public school system and the grades will not go UP, only your tax bill will….

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 7:38 am | Permalink
  26. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #6- Thank you recognizing my cheerfulness..always try to be upbeat !
    It’s interesting about the comments heard at the plaza. I recently attended a shower, table-hopping in an effort to touch base with ladies I know. My typical conversation question is , “How are your children doing? ” What I got as part of the conversation were rave reviews of the school, how much their children were learning, and much they love school. As a former teacher of 22 years at BES, I have always felt that the teachers are top-notch, when I taught and now. Mr. Shappirio is mentioned in a previous post. No finer instructor existed, in my opinion. I taught with him for a number of years, knowing this to be true. A few years back Belmar students had to take a math placement test for Manasquan HS as entering freshmen. Our students scored high off the charts , impressing the head of the High school’s math chairperson. Also, in the past few years I’ve been asked to read to students for Dr. Seuss’s birthday in March, going from classroom to classroom . This afforded me the opportunity to walk around the building. In all situations, teachers were actively engaged in delivering instruction, with all students listening attentively. This was without exception. Also. a few years back, we had a student ranked #1 in her graduating class at Manasquan. As was previously mentioned, a core curriculum is mandated by the dept of education. I know Mr. Hallman, Superintendent of BES, and have the greatest respect for his intellect, how he relates to staff and students, and his managerial style. He is a fine educator who selects the best candidates to fill his teacher roster. As a former board of Ed.member, I know first-hand how these board members work along with administration to endure the best possible education for our youngsters. I loved my years as a teacher at BES, and have the greatest confidence that our children of today are receiving the best possible obstruction as they were in years past..

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
  27. Ctd@verizon wrote:

    Meant education …darn those pop up words that think you know what you’re thinking! That said, I stand by my words of support for our school. In recent years we’ve had our students accepted at prestigious high schools ( along with Manasquan) and colleges. Why do students succeed? Much has to do with where they receive the basics … At Belmar Elementary School!

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 3:09 pm | Permalink
  28. Dr. Freud wrote:

    “endure” and “obstruction” – Madame must proofread. Don’t think you really meant these words, but the subconscious might have. Or some comments crept into that consciousness. Otherwise a great comment reflecting your point of view.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 3:14 pm | Permalink
  29. Jim Bean wrote:

    This is a easy solution issue. Please respond with disagreements. I love arguing these points.

    Take the total taxes collect by Belmar and divide by the amount of school children in Belmar. That amount is what will go to whatever school the child\parents decides. Private, public, charter, home school (for books and online courses). In 3 to 4 years I guarantee you will see an improvement in scores. Only competition keeps prices down and quality of services up. This is the only true and fair way to find out what schools are preforming or not. People vote with their money. I trust people to make the best decision for their children’s future. If Belmar continues to have children go to summer school to be accepted into magnet or charter schools and parents are satisfied with that, keep your children in that school. Charter schools are the direct results of failing public schools where the parents had a say. The whole point of schools are to educate the children not employ teachers. We always use testing as a means to measure knowledge. (SATs and LSAT, etc). I say demand accountability for what we pay for, and let the parents that are not satisfied with the service go elsewhere. We have neither right now. I believe in Freedom to escape poverty through education.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
  30. Summer Timer wrote:

    #29…. Well said…

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 4:37 pm | Permalink
  31. Brian Pringle wrote:

    How the heck do kids get into a “magnet” school and can’t pass a test. If you need to send your kid to summer school they don’t belong there in the first place. Total joke. Stop blaming the school. So many kids pass those schools for Manasquan..

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
  32. #29 wrote:

    Tuition varies at different schools. The number of school children per town varies each year. Good schools can (or most likely only want to) take as many students as there are empty desks, or their quota for class sizes allow. How do the children get to these schools if far away?
    What if suddenly every student wanted to go to one school? How would the other schools be able to compete if most students left? Imagine the taxes if you had to keep adding on to schools and finding new properties for the one school that kept allowing more students? If your child was at that one school would you approve? What about special ed students? What about low test score students? And who manages all this for free, since you’re dividing the total taxes by the number of children? Must be nice to live in your world. But the people that make policy consider more than just competition. Public school is for all people. Competition in the business world is a different animal. If you let Besty take over you’d have no chance of rising out of poverty through education.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:09 pm | Permalink
  33. Anonymous wrote:

    #31 – How the heck do kids get into a “magnet” school and can’t pass a test?
    Answer – They probably need a quota of minority students.
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    #32 – Public school is for all people. No it’s not. The taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay for the children of illegal aliens (theft of services aided and abetted by the BOE).
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    I’ve wondered for many years, just why is public education (or any other type education) mandatory? Why can’t it be left up to the parents to educate/or not their own children as they think best? They’re their children, not the government’s children.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
  34. #33 wrote:

    Then you’re living in the wrong country. Parents can home school, but we the people, provide school for our people.

    Illegal aliens are for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency to deal with. Law (listen and remember) LAW of public schools is to educate all who live in the district. It’s not the school’s job, nor are they allowed to kick out minorities. That’s another department – ICE. Bitch to ICE.

    The magnet schools pick the best student per town and then a small percentage of students in the entire county. Only the cream of the crop make it in. They are very small schools.

    How sad, how uneducated and obnoxious you are to spew falsehoods that pop into your puny brain. Why don’t you try and research something one day? We’re probably going to pay for your social security and medicare for too long while you bitch about public education. Get a real life.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 6:57 pm | Permalink
  35. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Dr. Freud-I don’t believe it was the id the ego or the super ego responsible for my mistakes.Truth be told, I’m blaming the pop up words…nothing to do with the subconscious ! Dr. Freud, give this old person a break; let me blame the errors on the pop ups! You’re right.. I should proofread . But when I choose to sing the praises of the wonderful BES, I lose sight of proofreading, as I can’t wait to get my message out! Thanks for your guidance and praise! Hope this message is without error.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 7:19 pm | Permalink
  36. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    #33 – That was my post. I Forgot to put my name up.
    We’ll get a hold of this illegal alien business before long. In the mean time though, I don’t like being robbed by these illegal aliens and their accomplices in the BOE.
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    The magnet schools have their quota like everything else in the country. That’s why the minorities have to go to summer school to pass the math portion of the entrance exam. I believe that’s fixed as well. They don’t actually pass but are given a passing grade to make it look good. Everything to do with our education dept. is built on a foundation of lies.
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    “uneducated”, “obnoxious”, “puny brain”, All reasonable words to describe me I guess. But here’s the big difference between me and you fella. As I have taken an oath to protect the Constitution of this country and dollars to doughnuts, you haven’t, I will do everything in my power, even at this my age to keep my oath, which I still consider as to be in effect. The chances however of your doing such a thing I think we can both agree (if you don’t lie to yourself) are slim and none. That’s the difference between us.

    Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:00 pm | Permalink
  37. Anonymous wrote:

    I would like to completly disagree with this Tom Dilberger when he agrees with #33 that he has a puny brain. It’s even apparent in his repartee because anyone who is smart enough to use self deprecation as a means to disarm his detractors is not that dumb. I sometimes don’t agree with him but not even the most left wing capitalism hating communist could question that he loves this country and this town. Oh, and Tom, dollars to doughnuts is an outdated term especially at the main st doughnut shop, which is very good by the way. Our currency has been so debased that it’s worse than even money.

    Regarding Claire Deike, While I like Claire and I value her input and I know she also loves this town I seldom agree with her(ok, almost never), but when she writes that Mr.Shapirrio is a great teacher she is absolutely correct. Be it not for his hard work and dedication my child would have been completely unprepared for high school and beyond.
    Teachers are just like any other profession, There are good, bad, average and somtimes great. Mr. Shapirrio is definitely the latter.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 9:52 am | Permalink
  38. Weighing In wrote:

    My son attended Belmar School where it was determined that he had a learning disability. He received special services and had dedicated teachers who spent extra time with him to help him succeed in spite of his difficulties. My son went on to high school where he maintained a solid B average. Then, he attended a 2-year college. He is presently a manager of a retail store. I thank the dedicated staff at BES for giving my son his life .

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 11:57 am | Permalink
  39. Jim Bean wrote:

    #29 thank you for the response. Everyone read 29 then my post.

    here are the answers.

    #29 Tuition varies at different schools. —Tuition varies at different colleges as well. The better the college\doctor\auto repair place\electrician the more they can charge and keep customers. Just like colleges the good ones grow, take in more students, the bad ones shrink. New schools would open. St. Rose would see a major jump in enrollment. The market place will accommodate. Maybe it’s now worth $2000 out of pocket a year more to get my child into a better private school.

    The number of school children per town varies each year.– But on a whole Belmar isn’t growing and the numbers are very close year to year. We can refund the money to the taxpayer when the number of children decrease?

    Good schools can (or most likely only want to) take as many students as there are empty desks, or their quota for class sizes allow. -– as more children apply and get accepted, the school will get more money. They will have a business plan and grow accordingly. All successful businesses do this.

    How do the children get to these schools if far away?– My son gets to CBA which is miles and miles away. I’m sure if the schools want customers they will find a way to bring the customer to the school. We already bid bus contracts to lower transportation cost.

    What if suddenly every student wanted to go to one school? — What if every student wanted to go to Harvard? They can apply, the school will decide, and the next semester maybe they start. Maybe they have to take their 2nd or 3rd choice.

    How would the other schools be able to compete if most students left?– I remind you it is about educating the students, not giving teachers a job. What if everyone wanted to get their car repaired at shop A, what about shop B & C? The other shops need to bring a better product or close.

    Imagine the taxes if you had to keep adding on to schools and finding new properties for the one school that kept allowing more students?– again wrong. Competition will keep prices down and services up. The private sector can and does do more with less. We are the highest taxed state in America, I’m willing to try something different. I already know what gives me high taxes. Don’t worry yourself with the business decisions schools or colleges make about growing or constructing buildings. You concentrate on getting your child the best education.

    If your child was at that one school would you approve? –Yes, because I picked that school.

    What about special ed students? –Better, more equipped schools would emerge to meet the market demand….. And they already have! If you are special needs, Belmar will pay to send you to a school that the parents feel is a better fit.

    What about low test score students?– Their parents will pick a school that matches them. Doesn’t work, try a different school. At least now they will have a choice. What about a low SAT score, sorry not getting into Princeton, maybe a York college like myself. The market adjusts to consumer demands.

    And who manages all this for free, since you’re dividing the total taxes by the number of children?– Who manages the magnet school? I’m guessing they aren’t doing it for free? There is plenty of taxes already collected to manage money being sent to schools.

    Must be nice to live in your world. -– You can live in it as well, just give people a choice.

    But the people that make policy consider more than just competition. -– Bad wording, the people who make policy should only make decisions based on educating the children. After 40 years of test scores going down, please tell me what they are considering. Teachers unions, politicians, government jobs, but not educating the children. Competition has worked every time it’s tried. You have a house, a car, and a job because of competition. Look at Cuba. no competition, all poverty.

    Public school is for all people. Competition in the business world is a different animal. If you let Besty take over you’d have no chance of rising out of poverty through education. –Funny, Betsy wasn’t involved for the last 40 years, yet inner city schools are the worst in the nation, test scores are down & Belmar’s 8th grade students needed to take summer school even though passing math with high marks. Looks to me that you’re protecting the system failing these children. Maybe to you it’s not about education the children but politics. What isn’t fair is this system ruined Belmars students summer with summer school, and you want to continue it. You Champion it. That’s heartless and unfair.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
  40. Anonymous wrote:

    #39 you say you are for education as a means to get out of poverty. Your plan won’t do that. The rich will get the good schools and the poor will get the bad. Your plan just shuffled people around a bit but low income and low test scores will remain or get worse.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
  41. Summer Timer wrote:

    #40…. The current system keeps good students in Poverty…. With the system proposed by Jim, the academic achievers will get into the better schools based on testing, not parents wealth….

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:21 pm | Permalink
  42. Anonymous wrote:

    How bad is summer school? Certainly, not what a child would choose as a summer activity. But it’s not the end of the world. Summer classes are held in the morning, with them lasting possibly for three hours. Plenty of time for the beach, family time and fun all afternoon. Also summer school lasts a few weeks

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
  43. Anonymous wrote:

    #39-Summer school isn’t the end of the world. You make it sound like a disaster. Summer classes are held in the morning for three hours at the most. Afternoons are open for the beach and family fun. These classes are over in a few weeks. While children don’t want to hear it, additional time on school subjects could help students perform better academically in the approaching school term. While summer school isn’t what a child would choose, for some it is for the best. Your remarks on the topic are immature. Heartless ? That’s a bit over the top.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:59 pm | Permalink
  44. Jim Bean wrote:

    #40 You are incorrect. The system now is exactly what you are complaining about. I’m giving everyone an opportunity to escape their zip code when one did not exist. Parents make good choices.

    Belmar spends $21K per child. I pay $17K for CBA. If Belmar just sent every child to a CBA type school, the education would be top notch and the taxpayers would see a $5K per child drop in the taxes. Win Win.

    But maybe its not about educating the children.

    I don’t understand why this is so hard.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
  45. Jim Bean wrote:

    OMG..#42 and #43.

    If a student passes math in Belmar elementary there should be no need for summer school.

    How about we just stop funding the regular school and just fund the summer school? Why pay to have kids go to two schools?

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 5:26 pm | Permalink
  46. Anonymous wrote:

    #45 Your comments hold no merit. Ever hear of individual differences? Maybe a student couldn’t grasp math concepts on his grade level, and needs additional instruction. Maybe the “AHA” moment would occur during the summer session. Don’t we owe children every opportunity to gain understanding so that they can move along academically? You make it sound summer school is a curse. For some students, summer school means the difference between a good shot for the coming term, or if not offered, more confusion and failure. Let’s give all of our children a chance. Your remarks are ludicrous. “Paying for two schools? “What an inane comment.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 6:39 pm | Permalink
  47. Anonymous wrote:

    45-You are limited in your thinking.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 6:41 pm | Permalink
  48. Jim Bean wrote:

    # 46 & 47 aka CD

    My last post.

    Who is held responsible for all the students that earned A’s and B’s in math at BES but failed the magnet school entrance math exam resulting in summer school?

    You blame the children with your #45 post. I blame the school system. That is why you are my political enemy.

    I will debate you at every turn and argue that it you that keep children in failing schools. It is you that want to keep the impoverished down. It is you that blame the child before the system. It is you that hold children in a prison that is their zip code. It is you and your policies that allow the wealthy to be better educated then the poor.

    I can email you the phone numbers of the parents that had to cancel summer camps and vacations and had to pay for transportation to summer school. Be proud of your stance and tell them that their children are just not smart enough to grasp math concepts, while getting A’s all year in BES math. I’m sure they will see your point.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 8:07 pm | Permalink
  49. Betty wrote:

    To clarify,are you discussing magnet schools or career academies? The career academies do not offer summer schools for failing grades for incoming students. The students may take summer courses to advance in their math classes. There is no quota, Tom, it’s purely number based.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 10:26 pm | Permalink
  50. Anonymous wrote:

    You’re Misguided and totally disregarded what I was stating. Blaming the child? What a misinterpretation! Not all children function with the same intellect. To put it simply, that’s why some students get A’s, some B’s , some C’s and so on. You couldn’t be more off in your thinking. Some need summer school. Blaming the children?? What are you talking about?? There areINDIViDUAL DIFFERENCES among all children. Some students excel in Language, but not in math, and vice-versa, for example.I’m your political enemy?? How dramatic can you get? During summer sessions, it’s possible and probable that students who struggle will have a better school year. Why can’t you comprehend that children have different intellectual abilities? If you can’t understand that, then you need summer school!

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 10:26 pm | Permalink
  51. Anonymous wrote:

    Would love to have those phone numbers. Your anger is clouding your thinking. Your reasoning makes no sense.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 10:29 pm | Permalink
  52. Anonymous wrote:

    Not CD. Try WF…retired educator. Summer school, if needed under any circumstance, should happen.

    Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 10:40 pm | Permalink
  53. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    #49 – This is America. There are “Quotas” in everything. Where’ve you been for the last 50 years or so?

    Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:10 am | Permalink
  54. OhBetty wrote:

    It’s pointless. He’ll never get it.

    Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:33 am | Permalink
  55. anonymous wrote:

    Go Jim BEAN. All he is saying is summer school for those students accepted into magnet schools? I hope those attacking him aren’t teacher in BES. If you qualify for a magnet school that’s supposed to mean you scored higher than the rest,example: scoring a 50 when the rest in your grade scored 49 or lower is not good. Someone isn’t teaching the students properly. Summer school is for those that didn’t do well to catch up. No problem with summer school,it’s just your top scoring child shouldn’t be there. He’s also right about if you take the taxes and divide by # of students and the parents could choose which school they wanted to attend,every school like any business would be racing to be the best to stay in business. ex;If BES is getting 19 to 26 thousand per child? Parochial school might be up to 8 ,I don’t know,private schools 20-25. Hell I would pick the private school over BES or the parochial and have extra money to spend. Give the decision to the parent then every child stands a chance.

    Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:40 pm | Permalink
  56. Mr. Shappirio was mentioned by me and another commenter as a fantastic math teacher at BES. Another amazing teacher on that staff was Mr. Harvey, Social Studies teacher. He developed a points system whereby students had options to achieve. One part of the plan was to read a book from a list about Early American history. Then, students were required to answer questions about the book. This option was worth so many points. Another opportunity for points was an oral presentation from a different list-worth a given number of points. Another opportunity was to participate in a mock senate discussion about a topic of the day in our country. Essay writing on a social studies topic …another offering. Then test and quiz results figured into the mix. At the end of the marking period points per student were totaled , and so many points were an A, so many points for a C, and so on. The students responded to this system off the charts! It was an ingenious plan with great results.

    Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:58 pm | Permalink
  57. #55 wrote:

    I don’t know who went to summer school and got into a magnet school. Maybe someone will provide evidence of this. The magnet schools pick only one student per town. It could be a Belmar student who goes to Ranney, St. Rose or any school. They don’t have to pick from any specific school, including BES. Then, after they get each student from their town they take the remaining percentage from all of Monmouth County. So you can wind up having a few from one town and none in another. NOt all kids apply to these schools. If you got into it you def don’t need summer school.

    Monday, August 6, 2018 at 7:21 pm | Permalink
  58. Magnet School exam wrote:

    Failing it doesn’t “result in summer school” as Jim Bean stated.

    Would be nice for the bitchers to have correct info.

    Monday, August 6, 2018 at 7:53 pm | Permalink
  59. I have sung the praises of two BES teachers -Mr. Shappirio and Mr.Harvey. These gentlemen taught grades 6,7,and 8. Now I’d like to focus on first grade. I’m continuing to respond to commenter #6. Mrs. Hallock, first grade teacher, mastered instructional methods for the teaching of reading. Now retired, her reputation was known far and wide; so much so that she was asked to help set up reading programs in other districts. The instruction model she created for first grade is still in place at BES. The comment was, ” Mrs. Hallock is the best in her field.”

    Monday, August 6, 2018 at 11:38 pm | Permalink
  60. Summer Timer wrote:

    #59….. For your next act, will you ask us to join hands, as you sing Kumbaya????

    Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 6:29 pm | Permalink
  61. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Happily!

    Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 8:42 pm | Permalink
  62. Please! wrote:

    Claire, go back to bed!

    Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
  63. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #62-No worries -I’ll let you join in the singing of Kumbaya!

    Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
  64. Anonymous wrote:

    Don’t parents whose kids earned A grades in math and then failed magnet entrance exams or state testing have grounds to sue for fraud.

    If kids aren’t learning yet get high grades that is malarkey and unfair to kids and parents. If schools are giving high grades for low achievement parents must take action

    Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

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