As a taxpayer I prefer to pay zero per month and not the Mayors voodoo math of $1.31. I am starting to wonder why this Mayor is pushing so hard to spend our hard earned money when the buildings can be built solely with the amounts received from insurance and FEMA. Plus over $1,000,000 – with 6 zeros – million – for engineering fees alone? My vote is for NO so the town can rebid and build them for less.
For years now the majority of outspoken
taxpayers bend to the threat of political retribution by not only silence, but the fear to STAND. Until those opposed to the sad state of politics, the corruption and yes, the unlawful acts exercise their first amendment rights to speak out, to assemble, to peacefully protest publically ( risking being arrested )
it will be business as usual. My greatest teachers: Gandhi and Rev. M.L. King knew how to gets their hands dirty. The abusive power of this administration has it’s gloves off. Who will stand?
For all you Doherty lovers out there please answer this….Why do you think he changed Buy-a-board to “private donations already received”? If you’re still willing to stand by his side as he misrepresents the truth, you should be judged as the same kind of grifter willing to cheat their neighbors for personal reward. You should be shamed.
We need to go back to the commission form of government otherwise we have king Doherty making all the decisions which are always agreed to by his a–wipes.
A commission form if government would have to be first cleared by the D’Jais folks who hand deliver all if the votes each election. What’s in it for them?
Dear Anonymous:
What we need to do is get out the vote, to vote NO on August 19th. The message will be clear. While I have called for a petition to change our form of government, it will take time and time we need now to make our voices heard.
A commission form if government would have to be first cleared by the D’Jais folks who hand deliver all of the votes each election. What’s in it for them?
There seem to be a lot of missing costs on the fact sheet (i.e. cost to maintain, cost of increased utilities to heat in winter, cost to insure a $7M building on the beach…). Help me out loyal readers on other costs that are not included on the fact sheet that was sent with your tax dollars. I want nice looking beach pavilions with squeaky hardwood floors and charm, not concrete shopping malls with elevator shafts and 40 gal aquariums full of fish that Dpw has to keep alive and a huge banquet style kitchen.
Yes Guest you are correct. Costs of ins. ,maint., are never discussed in these types of “deals”. I’m sure the Dpw will take good care of the fish. Just look how well the palm trees came back after a harsh winter.
The estimated 50%/50% split between the Beach Utility and Belmar Taxpayers would be scrutinized by the Court or NJDEP….. The proposed use of a new Taylor Pavilion, as noted on the flyer, kills Beach Utility recovery of the costs.
Judge Lawson should get a copy of the official Belmar “Fact Sheet”.
And all the five families would be upset if that happened. With all the friends I have I can’t promise the beach utility would pay 1/2…..The Courts would hammer us ………….
Gene great comments as usual. You understand how the information we’re getting is both incomplete and inaccurate. Even the use of the buy a board funds is troubling and probably questionably legal. Belmar did put the plaques honoring contributors on the “Boardwalk”. The mayor is more committed to Epic then he is to Belmar. I didn’t get this first hand but it’s my understanding that Avon’s elected body rec’d an engineering estimate in the low $60 thousand range for work on either the Beach Pavilion or the Marina Building and Avon’s council felt it was a bit high. The engineer reworked it and came back with a proposal in the high $50s. Can you imagine an elected body working for their taxpayers and not their political contributors. Never-mind the fact that our engineering estimate alone is more then they spent on their entire pavilion. Mayor Doherty is ‘very upset’ about the “cost” of a special election. I think his real concern has more to do with his deep commitment to Epic, Maser and the audacity of Belmar taxpayers to question his “will”.
Even $60,000.00 is high. With the average $100.00 per hour(eng.) that would come to maybe 75 full time days doing drawings. Oh maybe correct. They did it in pencil.
Math Women – I hope you are correct and the average of $100 per hour is accurate, but my guess is that the hourly rate is closer to the $175 to $200+ range. Remember this is an approved, anointed, and appointed engineering company (cough – friends) which the Mayor just calls upon at possibly an even higher hourly rate. Could you imagine if the Mayor actually cared about costs and sent the engineering portion out to bid also? One caveat then would be that any qualified bidder would need an (cough – union) apprentice program to be selected.
Math Women you could be correct that $5?,000 might be high. So I would love to hear (without expletives) how you feel about $1,035,501.00 in estimated engineering(always liked that last dollar, shows the great precision of the screwing we’re getting)Do you think our drawings are “carved in stone”? While not used in the last 5,000 years it would explain the cost adjusted for inflation. And who knows since were placing these monuments in a FEMA V Zone maybe we’re getting a 5,000 year warranty like Pharaoh Ra got from Imhotep.
Most eng. companies have software to doproject An design eng. probably makes $60.00 /hr. The remaining should cover overhead and profit. The $1,035,501.00 following my $100.00 estimate would cover 10,350 hours.
An average eng would work 2,400 hours per year . So it either took one eng 4.3 years to complete or 4 engs a little over 1 year to complete. To Guest maybe you are correct. I am referring to a normal business quote. This is what I believe is correct.
For buildings like the proposed pavilions….. design & inspection should be less than 10% of the cost of construction ……….. according to the Engineering News-Record (McGraw Hill) ….
Who inspects? The Town? Design should not be as expensive as they would have you believe. I spelled it out for you. Heavy costs are in Material and Labor
Building inspection would be done by the Borough or the DCA (neither cost is included on the flyer)…. pile driving would be witnessed by the engineer …..
The estimated engineering cost of $1+M is excessive …. more than double the ENR rule of 10% maximum.
With a construction cost of $4.9M …… design & inspection should be less than $490K total …. a lot less.
A $3.8 million lifeguard tower installed last summer at San Diego’s La Jolla Shores is causing some distortion and visibility issues for lifeguards on duty, city officials and local lifeguards confirmed.
According to Scott Robinson, public information officer for the City of San Diego, the new beach safety facility was installed in summer 2013. Shortly after construction, lifeguards began noticing a glare and reflection that started causing some visibility issues at the observation tower.
“The reflection on the three window panels and the distortion located at the edges of each window panel became apparent after installation,” Robinson told NBC 7 San Diego in a statement Tuesday.
After that, Robinson said some experiments were performed at the tower to try to curb the distortion.
“Subsequently, two types of window tint were tested on the interior side of the glass windows. While each tint reduced the glare and distortion, it became apparent that further study was required to identify the cause of the problem,” said Robinson.
Now, the time has come for that further study at the tower, as lifeguards say it’s impacting their day-to-day work at La Jolla Shores.
According to San Diego Lifeguard Capt. Nick Lerma, the visibility problem has resulted in extra staffing at the La Jolla tower right at the time of day when the glare and distortion is at its peak. Lerma said an additional lifeguard is needed for about three hours every day when the visibility is compromised.
Boondoggle @ 10th …. if high level beachfront observation is desired …. book a front room at the Mayfair Hotel or access the roof…. superior to any “lifeguard tower”.
Mayfair is the only licensed cell site in Belmar …. 4+ stories high ….
Boondoggle @ 10th …. the only practical use of the “lifeguard tower” would be photo ops with Governor Chris Christie and other Jersey Strong hype elected officials ….
A police subsatation basically is in front of D’Jais already. Well, without the building that is but any night there are 4 to 6 police assigned to this specially treated establishment. Cut their occupancy to what is reasonable for a building of their size and their limited bathrooms. But that may mean cutting the votes in half that they deliver for their borough council.
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Isn’t that $727,000.00 for the boardwalk?
I’m a little confused.
Is the mayor spending taxpayer money for his own personal agenda ?
As a taxpayer I prefer to pay zero per month and not the Mayors voodoo math of $1.31. I am starting to wonder why this Mayor is pushing so hard to spend our hard earned money when the buildings can be built solely with the amounts received from insurance and FEMA. Plus over $1,000,000 – with 6 zeros – million – for engineering fees alone? My vote is for NO so the town can rebid and build them for less.
Yo Guest I am wondering also. I smell a Rat
Typical salesmanship – boil the purchase down to the monthly payment mumbo-jumbo.
Me: I would like to purchase the Sedan.
Salesman: Let me show you the Town Car.
Me: My needs are perfectly satisfied with the Sedan.
Salesman: But the Town Car will only cost you a few dollars more per month.
Me: But the Sedan meets my needs and also my budget perfectly.
For years now the majority of outspoken
taxpayers bend to the threat of political retribution by not only silence, but the fear to STAND. Until those opposed to the sad state of politics, the corruption and yes, the unlawful acts exercise their first amendment rights to speak out, to assemble, to peacefully protest publically ( risking being arrested )
it will be business as usual. My greatest teachers: Gandhi and Rev. M.L. King knew how to gets their hands dirty. The abusive power of this administration has it’s gloves off. Who will stand?
FIRST AMENDMENT: Count me in
Vito:
I was counting on you to get the full participation of the five families.
FIRST ADMENDMENT: I can but it will take a great deal of effort. Guess it is worth it.
For all you Doherty lovers out there please answer this….Why do you think he changed Buy-a-board to “private donations already received”? If you’re still willing to stand by his side as he misrepresents the truth, you should be judged as the same kind of grifter willing to cheat their neighbors for personal reward. You should be shamed.
We need to go back to the commission form of government otherwise we have king Doherty making all the decisions which are always agreed to by his a–wipes.
A commission form if government would have to be first cleared by the D’Jais folks who hand deliver all if the votes each election. What’s in it for them?
Dear Anonymous:
What we need to do is get out the vote, to vote NO on August 19th. The message will be clear. While I have called for a petition to change our form of government, it will take time and time we need now to make our voices heard.
A commission form if government would have to be first cleared by the D’Jais folks who hand deliver all of the votes each election. What’s in it for them?
Now the boondoggle @ 10th is referred to as a “lifeguard tower” …. kinda’ like a Baywatch pipedream …. without Pamela Anderson….
There seem to be a lot of missing costs on the fact sheet (i.e. cost to maintain, cost of increased utilities to heat in winter, cost to insure a $7M building on the beach…). Help me out loyal readers on other costs that are not included on the fact sheet that was sent with your tax dollars. I want nice looking beach pavilions with squeaky hardwood floors and charm, not concrete shopping malls with elevator shafts and 40 gal aquariums full of fish that Dpw has to keep alive and a huge banquet style kitchen.
Yes Guest you are correct. Costs of ins. ,maint., are never discussed in these types of “deals”. I’m sure the Dpw will take good care of the fish. Just look how well the palm trees came back after a harsh winter.
The estimated 50%/50% split between the Beach Utility and Belmar Taxpayers would be scrutinized by the Court or NJDEP….. The proposed use of a new Taylor Pavilion, as noted on the flyer, kills Beach Utility recovery of the costs.
Judge Lawson should get a copy of the official Belmar “Fact Sheet”.
And all the five families would be upset if that happened. With all the friends I have I can’t promise the beach utility would pay 1/2…..The Courts would hammer us ………….
Gene great comments as usual. You understand how the information we’re getting is both incomplete and inaccurate. Even the use of the buy a board funds is troubling and probably questionably legal. Belmar did put the plaques honoring contributors on the “Boardwalk”. The mayor is more committed to Epic then he is to Belmar. I didn’t get this first hand but it’s my understanding that Avon’s elected body rec’d an engineering estimate in the low $60 thousand range for work on either the Beach Pavilion or the Marina Building and Avon’s council felt it was a bit high. The engineer reworked it and came back with a proposal in the high $50s. Can you imagine an elected body working for their taxpayers and not their political contributors. Never-mind the fact that our engineering estimate alone is more then they spent on their entire pavilion. Mayor Doherty is ‘very upset’ about the “cost” of a special election. I think his real concern has more to do with his deep commitment to Epic, Maser and the audacity of Belmar taxpayers to question his “will”.
Even $60,000.00 is high. With the average $100.00 per hour(eng.) that would come to maybe 75 full time days doing drawings. Oh maybe correct. They did it in pencil.
Math Women – I hope you are correct and the average of $100 per hour is accurate, but my guess is that the hourly rate is closer to the $175 to $200+ range. Remember this is an approved, anointed, and appointed engineering company (cough – friends) which the Mayor just calls upon at possibly an even higher hourly rate. Could you imagine if the Mayor actually cared about costs and sent the engineering portion out to bid also? One caveat then would be that any qualified bidder would need an (cough – union) apprentice program to be selected.
Math Women you could be correct that $5?,000 might be high. So I would love to hear (without expletives) how you feel about $1,035,501.00 in estimated engineering(always liked that last dollar, shows the great precision of the screwing we’re getting)Do you think our drawings are “carved in stone”? While not used in the last 5,000 years it would explain the cost adjusted for inflation. And who knows since were placing these monuments in a FEMA V Zone maybe we’re getting a 5,000 year warranty like Pharaoh Ra got from Imhotep.
The mayor says…
FEMA Funds: (3,677,767)
To that I say BS. Prove it !
Most eng. companies have software to doproject An design eng. probably makes $60.00 /hr. The remaining should cover overhead and profit. The $1,035,501.00 following my $100.00 estimate would cover 10,350 hours.
An average eng would work 2,400 hours per year . So it either took one eng 4.3 years to complete or 4 engs a little over 1 year to complete. To Guest maybe you are correct. I am referring to a normal business quote. This is what I believe is correct.
For buildings like the proposed pavilions….. design & inspection should be less than 10% of the cost of construction ……….. according to the Engineering News-Record (McGraw Hill) ….
Who inspects? The Town? Design should not be as expensive as they would have you believe. I spelled it out for you. Heavy costs are in Material and Labor
Building inspection would be done by the Borough or the DCA (neither cost is included on the flyer)…. pile driving would be witnessed by the engineer …..
The estimated engineering cost of $1+M is excessive …. more than double the ENR rule of 10% maximum.
With a construction cost of $4.9M …… design & inspection should be less than $490K total …. a lot less.
A $3.8 million lifeguard tower installed last summer at San Diego’s La Jolla Shores is causing some distortion and visibility issues for lifeguards on duty, city officials and local lifeguards confirmed.
According to Scott Robinson, public information officer for the City of San Diego, the new beach safety facility was installed in summer 2013. Shortly after construction, lifeguards began noticing a glare and reflection that started causing some visibility issues at the observation tower.
“The reflection on the three window panels and the distortion located at the edges of each window panel became apparent after installation,” Robinson told NBC 7 San Diego in a statement Tuesday.
After that, Robinson said some experiments were performed at the tower to try to curb the distortion.
“Subsequently, two types of window tint were tested on the interior side of the glass windows. While each tint reduced the glare and distortion, it became apparent that further study was required to identify the cause of the problem,” said Robinson.
Now, the time has come for that further study at the tower, as lifeguards say it’s impacting their day-to-day work at La Jolla Shores.
According to San Diego Lifeguard Capt. Nick Lerma, the visibility problem has resulted in extra staffing at the La Jolla tower right at the time of day when the glare and distortion is at its peak. Lerma said an additional lifeguard is needed for about three hours every day when the visibility is compromised.
Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/La-Jolla-Shores-Lifeguard-Tower-Visibility-Problems-Glare-240168371.html#ixzz37wRf45mL
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From an article http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/La-Jolla-Shores-Lifeguard-Tower-Visibility-Problems-Glare-240168371.html
We should use cameras…..Up on our planet we realized that long ago
Boondoggle @ 10th …. if high level beachfront observation is desired …. book a front room at the Mayfair Hotel or access the roof…. superior to any “lifeguard tower”.
Mayfair is the only licensed cell site in Belmar …. 4+ stories high ….
Police substation should be where it belongs on the beach in front of Djais.
How many people will the lifeguard party tower hold, and does it come with a keg machine?
Boondoggle @ 10th …. the only practical use of the “lifeguard tower” would be photo ops with Governor Chris Christie and other Jersey Strong hype elected officials ….
A police subsatation basically is in front of D’Jais already. Well, without the building that is but any night there are 4 to 6 police assigned to this specially treated establishment. Cut their occupancy to what is reasonable for a building of their size and their limited bathrooms. But that may mean cutting the votes in half that they deliver for their borough council.
Looks like Djais owns the democrats in Belmar 10 years later it is still the same old song and dance. http://starnewsgroup.com/weekly/2005/05.05.05/pdf/05.05.05.pdf
Boondoggle @ 10th …. CHANGE ORDER #1 ….add railing to the parapet around the ROOF DECK.
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