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Is 10% Savings Enough To Come In Under Budget?

Does it matter?

I don’t believe the estimated 10% savings from acting as our own contractor is enough to get the pavilions built with the bond money we have left.  I also don’t believe that Doherty believes, or actually even cares, if he can save 10% or not.

Here’s why:

Maser estimated that Belmar would need to appropriate $6.1 million to cover the construction costs for the two pavilions and also finally pay the $332,543.76 we owed them for the design and engineering work.  Subtracting off Maser’s bills leaves us $5,767,456.24 total funds available to get the buildings built.  This is what Maser told us we would need and this is how much we have.

But Epic says it will cost $6,145,000 to complete the project.  This is why we can’t have Epic do it.

So we are told that Maser, who underestimated the cost by over $300,000 and even sent an engineer out to accompany the mayor when he visited voters to assure them that we could afford the buildings, now says we can come in under budget by acting as our own contractor.

Don’t believe it.

Assuming that the extra Maser bills for guiding our borough administrator…who has no experience in managing construction projects…are already baked into the 10% savings figure, the buildings will cost…according to Maser… $5,530,500.  If you subtract that from the $5,767,456.24 we have left to do the job with, it leaves us with only $236,956.24 in wiggle room.

I can almost guarantee the cost of the project will exceed Maser’s estimate by more than that amount.  A lot more.  None of these people, including whoever Maser might send to help us, has anywhere near the experience that Epic has in running a project like this.

Being a general contractor like Epic is very different from performing construction contract administration like Maser.  And that’s not even the plan Doherty and Connolly are proposing. A general contractor gets estimates from and hires subcontractors (usually ones they are very familiar with and have a high level of confidence in) to handle the various parts and phases of the project and oversees their work.  But at the meeting Doherty and Connolly talked about hiring construction workers directly, not subcontractors. You can’t hire experienced construction supervisors out of the union hall. Those are the people who lay out the job, make sure the various elements of each job are done in the proper order, and coordinate with the other crafts.  Connolly even talked about hiring individual electricians and plumbers to do those phases of the work, even though they’ll still need a licensed electrical and plumbing contractor to sign off on the job, which no reputable contractor is going to do if they don’t actually supervise the work.

 Does anyone out there think that Doherty and crew can run this anywhere near as efficiently as Epic?  Does Doherty even believe that?

It doesn’t matter.  With Epic we can’t build the pavilions.  Doing it ourselves we can.

The mayor said at the December 28th meeting that doing it ourselves would make the finances more transparent because we will see all the costs on the payment of bills lists.  But in actuality it will muddy our view.  With Epic doing the work we would know that all payments to Epic are for the pavilions and checks not for Epic are not for pavilions (hopefully.)  How Epic spends the money would not be our concern.  But now we will need to identify, keep track of and add up the bills that are for the pavilions and make sure that some costs for the pavilions aren’t quietly blended into some other municipal expenditure.  (Using our police for site security would be just one example.)  It’s going to be an impossible task.  We’ll never know how much the pavilions ended up costing.    

So even if he believes it would end up costing more than using Epic, it is preferable from the mayor’s standpoint to expose the taxpayers to all the risks associated with building the pavilions ourselves because at least that way he can get the thing started and also pretend he had enough money to do it.

There is little doubt that our mayor is surveying the political opportunities that will be created when the Christie administration comes to an end in 2017.  Doherty needs to be able to say that he took us through the storm, he didn’t raise taxes, and that by getting the pavilions built he created lots of good paying union jobs and completed Belmar’s recovery.


  1. the professional wrote:

    So, if the pavilions are built “piecemeal”, who will, when will, and how will inspections be done?

    Colleen: Tapping a wall, “Oh, this LOOKS fine to me.”

    Matt: Plugging something into a wall, “Yeah, it works.”

    Brennan: “Hooray, we are saving money! It passes.”

    Magovern: “I object but say ‘yes’.”

    Maser rep, standing by, shakes his head, either up or down, but knows his firm will eventually get paid.

    Call the insurance company. Or not.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 11:01 am | Permalink
  2. Dealer wins wrote:

    Something else is at play here, all the cards are not on the table.Keep a good eye on the card dealer.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 11:02 am | Permalink
  3. elemental wrote:

    I think the administration wants to create so much accounting confusion that it will not be noticed or easing ascertained that the cost of the 5th Avenue Pavilion exceeds 4.1 million, that amount which Matt stood by as critical to his self-led recall. That is, of course, if this whole plan is not a ruse.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
  4. Planet Belmar wrote:

    Dave: Many good and solid points. Because or your reports I can easily find important points and decisions in the past:
    Estimates & Bid pricing:
    FACT: Birdsall, Paul Calabrese and others
    did it all. The same folks that miscalculated the new boardwalk and failed to
    consider the ramps. Scott McFadden, Paul’s boss states, Matt and Colleen push that even with a 31% change order increase “construction is still under estimate” He is Indicted for play-to-pay by State AG two weeks later.

    April 3,2013: Mayor endorses Birdsall and vows to continue to use them.

    April 7, 2013 certified pricing and estimates on Maser letterhead accompany application for 7.M bond, 2 pavilions-Local Finance Board. $6,793,307.62 PLUS attached engineering fees 1,035,00.

    May 15: Birdsall fired Maser hired- Maser states same Birdsall folks will now work for Maser on Belmar Acct., Paul, Nick, Corey and Robert.

    Sure I trust them all. Sure there is proper transparency. Just look at the first project.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 12:54 pm | Permalink
  5. Teddy Ehmann wrote:

    Your point about them stating this way cost and payments would be more transparent, the council would see all details on payment of bills was spot on. Listening to Colleen Monday a.m. it was laughable. Since when have the council ever looked at the bills paid list? When Bean left, so did Bean’s rule. The bill paid is just that, council is told after they are paid sometimes. Thee exception is like when Colleen told them to pay $1.1 million in large sums, wire transferred to Feirra Construction to avoid play-to-pay and never put the payments on the monthly bills paid. At least with the boardwalk, Robbin used the bond ordinance number to designate the payment.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
  6. ALLTRUMPEDUP wrote:

    The MAIN reason Matt wants to GC this project is so that he can hand out many more favors to his people that just one big one to EPIC, who already got their share with the boardwalk. I would imagine the lion’s share of these contracts would not have to go out to bid for every single aspect, hence if Matt’s uncle knows how to paint, he will be the painter. The only transparency that is obvious is Matt’s sole intentions, What’s in it for me Matt. Jersey City politics in Belmar NJ. Where’s the FBI when you need them?

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 1:36 pm | Permalink
  7. Belmar Independent wrote:

    ” Look Before You Leap”. Mayor & Council have
    pushed and approved 4 public works projects
    totaling 13,650,000. Everyone just talking about questions with Taylor.
    Taylor-4.1 million all funding in order?
    10th Ave.- 2 million all funding in order?
    Lake Como-6.4 million grant, all funding in order Bids???
    Main St. Streetscape-1.15 million, grant all funding in order. Bids cancelled 12/28.

    So 4 shovel-ready public projects FREE!!!
    after the Borough pays the 5% down for three bonds…$682,500 chunk change and the
    100,000 to Northgrave to isse the notes, chunk change.

    All of this knowing the Borough’s troubling cash flow problems. You see cash flow problems make for poor press releases.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
  8. Voter wrote:

    #7 You forgot the 800,000 clean up for Chef’s marina.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
  9. Belmar Independent wrote:

    #8. No I did not. If you have proof of a $800,000. for “clean up”, it would be your civic duty to share with the admin. of this blog. I noticed you used clean up. What about the money for utilities and other work on Block 98, Lot1? Just sayin.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 3:57 pm | Permalink
  10. Anonymous wrote:

    If you wonder why I loose sleep. It is because the party animals like registered voter Jim Red Davis and the others spend exactly the same amount of time as Doherty, Brennan, Magovern,Nicolay and Keown-whatever looking over the figures and working to reduce taxpayer liability. Sorry if the truth hurts. OK let’s party, I did not mean it. It’s all good really. I love Belmar, really. No problems really!

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
  11. legion wrote:

    This is frightening; if the Borough cannot account for the disappearance of $10,000 worth of Shoprite gift cards, how can they handle a project of this magnitude in a fiscally responsible manner? I do not recall anyone recanting the “It’s free!” claim. I guess the residents do not have to worry…

    OK, lots of sarcasm and complaining and pointing out the ridiculousness of the plan, so, how can they be prevented from moving forward? That photo-op at the beach with the pile driving is approaching. Another resume item for the mayor.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 5:17 pm | Permalink
  12. The Donald wrote:

    First, can anyone give an example of one government construction that was build at or below estimate? I have a solution for Belmar. First the all those highly qualified
    Birdsall engineers go to trial quickly. What is it about Christie’s state. These guys were indicted years ago. Once they are found guilty of unrelated charges dealing with engineering and are convicted felons for lesser charges like pay to play and money laundering, you have Maser hire them on a prisoner release program-like community service and since they are felons they can’t charge big fees but they
    build your two pavilions, Lake outflow pipe and make Main Street pretty. That’s the art of the deal. An extra bonus is they can maybe scare straight your mayor and others before they are convicted and must serve time.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 5:35 pm | Permalink
  13. Big ones wrote:

    Forgot the $900.000 bond for bulkhead at chefs new restaurant

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 6:50 pm | Permalink
  14. C Vinnie wrote:

    I doubt Doherty will stay much longer. He will leave Magovern in the lurch.

    leave someone in the lurch
    Contents [hide]
    1 English
    1.1 Verb
    1.1.1 Synonyms
    1.1.2 Translations
    leave (someone) in the lurch

    (idiomatic) To abandon somebody; especially, to abandon somebody and leave him or her in a difficult situation.  [quotations ▼]
    He left me in the lurch and I had to finish the whole project by myself.
    leave somebody holding the bag

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 7:53 pm | Permalink
  15. Eugene Creamer wrote:

    I would feel comfortable paying for required fire hydrant flow testing at 6th Ave & Ocean Ave and 10th Ave & Ocean Ave …. BEFORE any piles …. On Labor Day 1963 the 10th Avenue Pavilion was destroyed by fire …. Belmar choked on smoke for hours …. fire fighters found insufficient city water …. until a Spring Lake pumper @ Silver Lake saved the day …. most of the Belmar Borough water was sprayed on the Mayfair and other private properties.
    just tired of surprises ….

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 10:59 pm | Permalink
  16. Anonymous wrote:

    Wasn’t there a fire at the Pizza joint on ocean Ave between 12 & 13th Avenues when the fire hydrants didn’t work properly? Suspicious?

    Didn’t the Silver Edge Hotel and Artie Bradey’s Sports Bar on Ocean Avenue between 15th and 16th Avenues burn down when the fire hydrants didn’t work properly that time too?

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 11:21 pm | Permalink
  17. Love the Beach wrote:

    No joke. I need more than aspirins. I don’t pretend know all the #’s for this project, but if it’s only the bond amount, without any insurance $, beach utility or otherwise to charge against, I think Admin of this blog has it right. Where are costs being charged for municipal and bond attorney plus inspection and contract oversee of Maser firm? Irresponsible? . Also, what about the municipal appeal that appears to be pending? Do we proceed with project or wait not knowing the outcome?
    I may be wrong but believe the Mayor said at one meeting that if the Taylor Pavilion couldn’t be done with 4.1 m that it would not be done. If that is the case, then Mr. Mayor it doesn’t appear that with all associated costs, it can’t be done. Is this project dead?
    No increase in taxes for years ? Just irresponsible, leaving a headache for the next administration.
    No municipal improvements w/o grant funds associated? Just irresponsible.
    No capital improvement plan, 5, 10 or more year plan for infrastructure for us poor damned people who live in this town? Not one down payment for a municipal funded project for just one roadway per fiscal year? Overlay, drainage or just any type of capital improvement. Just irresponsible.
    Parking? Let’s build more. As if seasonal parking isn’t bad enough. Guess we will just close down the town when things get too tough for us to handle. What is with the Planning or Zoning Board of this town? Irresponsible? Perhaps.
    Final note, Ms. Claire, if that is your name or not, this is a blog where people can feel free to express their opinions or assumptions w/o repercussions. If an individual does not want to reveal their name, they may do so. I must say that it is not for you to judge their intentions just because they may choose to use a fictitious name. I do not believe that I was challenging your intentions or opinions. I only asked for your opinion and for you to keep to the issue. You chose to attack me and I definitely took your reply has negative toward me and did not want to reply again. I apologize and should have written right away at that time. I am only expressing an observation. Perhaps I am wrong. I do not expect a reply. Thank you.

    Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 11:29 pm | Permalink
  18. ALLTRUMPEDUP wrote:

    #17- Don’t get rattled. We all know what and who Ms. C. is and was. A “has been” frustrated politician with rose colored glasses supporting the insanity of this regime. Pope Matt’s fan club leader. Once in charge of counting “paper cuts” at the library and keeping the lunch warm for the seniors. She reports directly to the Pope in her attempts to keep the restless natives quiet with her “non-answers”. Can’t really figure out her motivation in following this crew down the plank. Has no mirrors in her home. Lurks in the shadows, occasionally sends letters to the editor over relating to unimportant issues in an attempt to distract the uninformed public.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 8:58 am | Permalink
  19. #17-You know very well that my name is know that I’m very much involved in the community…according to earlier comments expressed by you..”Claire if that is your name or not”..check your own comments on the voter suppression section…this is our third exchange-I can certainly make a judgement that you don’t want people to know who you are..that’s a no brainer…that’s obvious-“judging their intentions? ” What reason would there be….other than you wish to state comments that you yourself deem to be questionable? “Don’t tell me of the good deeds of the council”.your words….that’s not being negative?? You brought me into these exchanges…..remember? Funny that you’re so one-way…your own words about me have come back to haunt you..not very smart..

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 9:13 am | Permalink
  20. #16-Wow! You had me at hello! Happy you think so highly of me…love writing letters to the editor about all the great happenings here in our wonderful well run, well-governed community……and will continue to do so….since you brought it up and acknowledge my writing skills……you must enjoy reading my thoughts… Lurk in the shadows? That’s the pot calling the kettle black…maybe I should don a black cloak and “lurk” more often-you don’t use your own name-another person who would never make these remarks about me using a real name…did much more than count paper cuts and feed seniors-truth be known, residents are still thanking me for my efforts on their behalf-and I haven’t been in office for several years….not really a “has been”..I’m an “always been”….as a 50 year resident, I report to no one..never have and never will.why do suggest that I’m a weakling?.How about you? What gives the notion that I need to report to anyone?? Who do you answer to? I’m curious-have plenty of mirrors in my home because I LOVE to look at myself-Also, you must have a reading-comprehension problem-I answer questions posed to me-non answers? You’re a person who wallows in baseless claims and moronic accusations-honestly, would you ever say these things about me using your actually name? But I forgive you for your lack of thinking and poor communication skillls (poor wording….limited demonstrate a weak vocabulary-while attempting to be clever… the words of Alexander Pope…..1700’s English poet and essayist….”To err is human….to forgive divine…” you certainly need to be forgiven….also-on a future posting-I’ll list all of my accomplishments as councilwoman….just to refresh your short memory…..

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 10:54 am | Permalink
  21. Belmar Independent wrote:

    The way I see it the local “obstructionist” ( Aug, 22 APP ) ended up helping this administration. The actions to force them to unbundle project bond ordinances has given them plenty of “wiggle room”. To bad Brennan didn’t get the memo before the meeting. He remarked that sometimes its better not to see the sausage made. Just on cost over runs and project increases alone. Statistics show that over 70% of all government projects cost more. Change order increases national average is over 40%. The boardwalk was a very simple repeat down 1 mile project and still there was 31% a month after it started. Therefore it is statistically probable the there will be about 2.8 million in change order increases for 5th and 10th pavilions.
    If they proceed with all four projects add another 3 million.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 10:54 am | Permalink
  22. admin wrote:

    BTW, with the DIY there will be no change orders because there is no contract that anyone has to adhere to.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 11:26 am | Permalink
  23. legion wrote:

    I’m laughing here. Who cares who is who as long as unspun truth is told? Who really cares except someone who loves to fight and potentially retaliate in order to amuse herself.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 10:55 am | Permalink
  24. Teddy Ehmann wrote:

    I have posted expenditures to the 2012-15 Boardwalk Bond since 4/30/14. At that time an additional amount of expenditures totaling
    over 2.8 million ( including palm trees ).

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 11:09 am | Permalink
  25. Guest wrote:

    Claire….get over yourself already.It’s old.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 11:21 am | Permalink
  26. Love the Beach wrote:

    Geez, Ms. Claire, you are for sure a piece of work. No, my words do not haunt me no matter how you might try to spin them. All is good.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
  27. Teddy Ehmann wrote:

    Finished expenses charged to Bond 2012-15 Rebuild Boardwalk add $1,331,381.10 to those “boardwalk rebuild expenses” up to 4/30/14
    Now totals $4,177,046.30, largest recent expenditure bonded: $925,000. settlent Birdsall assorted bills to Partner Engineering. Bid awarded to EPIC: $9,244,689.
    addtl. expenses bonded against boardwalk over 50%.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 1:37 pm | Permalink
  28. Guest-Never gets old for me- when I’m insulted-I respond-and will continue to do so.Aren’t you going to scold the people who post negative things about me,and also tap out the same negative things about the borough over and over again? Doesn’t that get old for you? You’re a bit one-way-you show your true colors as being anti-all good things here in can get over your own self….actually, I erred-my comment that beings with WOW was meant for #18-since the person demeaned my services to the community, I think he/she needs a review of my accomplishments as councilwoman and there after:
    1. Brought Monmouth County Surrogate Rosemarie Peters to Belmar to explain and answer questions about estate, wills, etc. We had around 80 people in attendance at that meeting

    2. Brought Freeholder Amy Mallet to our community to do a presentation about the new veterans’ center she established….many local veterans attended this meeting….

    3. The county health department came and did flu shots (at the health fair), free eye exams, innoculations for children, etc. at different times during my tenure as councilwoman

    4. After Hurricane Sandy, health dept.came and administered innoculations that prevented viruses, disease, that residents/DPW staff might have been exposed to during cleanup from the disaster-I arranged for this

    5. Had Dr. Schmidt speak about how to keep a healthy heart-had many people attend this conference

    6. At Mayor’s Pringle’s suggestion, I kicked off the Mayor’s Wellness Campaign……held a health fair every year for residents and those of the surrounding areas

    7. After Mayor Pringle informed me of two women of our town diagnosed with breast cancer, I founded Belmar Cares…(as I’m a survivor of the disease)-a support group for survivors and those undergoing treatment for the disease-started this in 2008-and is still going strong

    8. Arranged for free skin cancer screenings provided by Centra State Medical Center-held this on the beach in July-Councilwoman Blackburn is continuing many of the programs I started…

    9. Collaborated with the State Police Agency and our local police force to begin a program for our school students-both Belmar Elementary and St. Rose -information provided to them about safety, importance of staying away from drugs, etc..Also worked Police Sgt. Scott with the town safety progrm held outdoors in the early summer/late spring

    10-Participated in meetings with the Belmar Council of Churches at the request of the ministers/pastors-acted as a laision, bringing concerns/ideas to the council

    11. sponsored community walks-both on the boardwalk and in the borough gym

    12-Reached out to Chief Palmisano to place a handicap parking space on Main Street-in front of the main entrance to borough hall-this was at the request of a resident who is handicapped

    13-At the request of a resident, had a bench placed at the war memorial at 12th and Main..

    14-Worked closely with The Belmar Historical Society to do the memory books- I and II…worked to have as many residents as possible contribute/participate in these projects…

    15-chaired the ADA committee-while doing so, brought expert speakers in to talk about autism, planing for handicapped individuals after their caretakers are no longer living…adressed concerns about Belmar’s compliance with state ADA rules and regulations-Councilwoman Blackburn continues this work

    16-Was invited by the Belmar School Administration to sit on the Strategic Planning Community-a plan to evaluate certain areas of the school..stillam involved

    17-worked with Habitat for Humanity ….both pre and post Sandy..for residents who needed home repairs

    18-Sat on the Harbor Commission-bringing information to the council from these meetings-also, suggested walking tours of the marina for committee members so that we could see what improvements needed to be made….and what things were going well..

    19-Tried to solve as many issues/problems as was possible that were presented to me

    -All Trumped Up-I cannot have you belittle and demean my efforts-I worked too long and hard for our residents-frankly, you forced me to list my accomplishments-thank you! A little more than attending to paper cuts, wouldn’t you agree?

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 1:44 pm | Permalink
  29. Morning Walker wrote:

    Claire please do us all a favor and take your ADA friends and walk from under the Rt. 35 Bridge on 7th along the Marina bulkhead to K-Street, then to L-Street and then down the boards ect to the tip of Maclearie Park, as many residents and non-residents do every day. Then report back on what you would you or anybody do ( especially women if you needed a restroom. Then just imagine if you need an A.D.A. compliant restroom. Then report back.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 3:08 pm | Permalink
  30. Bill Straus wrote:

    29 is right. ADA compliance is a joke in those exact areas. Claire maybe you can get Colleen to adhere to the law cause the mayor can’t.

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 3:58 pm | Permalink
  31. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Please take these matters up with Councilwoman Janis Blackburn…now chairs the ADA committee.. With my most recent remarks…I was merely listing my projects/ accomplishments for the purpose of answering the comments demeaning my work as councilwoman …

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
  32. Big ones wrote:

    29 you can use the marina comfort station,only if you play golf at chefs golf course they’ll give you the code to get in. Hope you can hold it that long lol

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
  33. legion-#23-You couldn’t be more on target! I respond when I’m taken over the coals on this blog to amuse myself! It’s so much fun……maybe the fun I’m having will inspire a humorous side in you….I guess you think I don’t have a right to respond when I’m mentioned……you’re so right…..I’m feisty…..ready to take on whoever insults me…why would you begrudge me of my favorite pastime? How about a compliment from you on my many achievements?

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 5:29 pm | Permalink
  34. Bill Straus wrote:

    Claire that’s passing the buck and you know it. Are you not outraged as a resident not any political whatever just a resident. You have integrity, how about you as a resident say something, I have and it has fallen of deaf ears. Help me get this done right, it’s not an R or D thing, come on Claire one call from you as a FORMER ADA council rep who worked so hard do you want your efforts to go for naught. Damn it I am angry pick up the ball

    Monday, January 4, 2016 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
  35. Claire Deicke wrote:

    I’ll see what I can do, Bill…since I’m no longer involved…not trying to pass the buck….don’t want to overstep my bounds….but I’ll give it a shot…

    Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 12:14 am | Permalink
  36. A Voter 2 wrote:

    #34 Bill outraged ????she is a supporter and democratic chair she is not outraged, not one word against this ethically corrupt Mayor and Council, kept in line by the courts.

    Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 10:34 am | Permalink
  37. #36-Ethically corrupt? Not in my opinion-no, I’m not outraged-but willing to assist-Bill-please inform me of what areas, specifically, you would like me to address regarding ADA concerns at the marina locale-I don’t know who you are, Voter 2-apparently that’s the way you want it….as a person who has worked closely with the mayor, I don’t find him to be what you say-in his attempt to look out for the taxpayer, he’s been maligned – attempts made by Matt have been thwarted.thanks to those who oppose him..I was closer to situations than you…(as a councilwoman)…..never corrupt-always thoughtful of the residents-any conversation I’d ever had with him was what was best for the residents….kept in line? what can you be thinking? you’re taking shots in the dark… “She” is me- Claire-spelled with an “i”.if you’re trying to depict me as a persona non grata..why would I say a person is corrupt…..when through personal experience-I found this statement to be so wrong? How do you feel about being a coward…..hiding behind a fake title-wallowing in “make-believe….”if you wish to be taken seriously, own-up…..mere conjecture doesn’t hold water…

    Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
  38. A Voter 2 wrote:

    #37 I expected you to say in your opinion, however you can’t make your own facts. Look up the ethics of for instance the board of trustees of Brookdale College you CANNOT have a conflict of interest.When the Mayor and council purposely make an ordinance to favor Unions and companies that his wife earns income from that is a clear conflict of interest and unethical. I am not here to debate your biased opinions facts are facts and ethics are for a reason.

    Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
  39. Claire Deicke wrote:

    None of which you claim is true….why would you create these assumptions? You are being irresponsible with your comments…

    Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:08 pm | Permalink
  40. A Voter 2 wrote:

    #39 so i guess there was no lawsuit regarding the ordinance of preferred vendors and no law suits pertaining to the pavilions you must think we are all stupid.

    Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:30 pm | Permalink
  41. No-I don’t think you’re stupid-just misguided-judgements have been made….people can agree or disagree with them-there is nothing factual in what you claim in #38-so you can continue to disagree with me with a fake name-this is what I mean by misguided-nothing you say is credible because you won’t reveal yourself-if you think you’re so right, you would use your actual name-apparently you’re embarrassed by your own thoughts-or you wouldn’t be in a make-believe frame of mind…….we really can’t believe what you’re saying because you’re not true to yourself…don’t give me that fear of retaliation claim-others are right out there….by the way, I was on the council when we were bringing in groups/agencies to assist during/after Hurricane Sandy-you couldn’t be more incorrect about your remarks in #38..we brought in people who could get the jobs done ….who could perform their duties well…so that the town and residents could get back to a sense of normalcy in a timely fashion..your accusations are without merit or credibility..did you put time in at the relief center for a month to help residents who were devastated by the hurricane? Mayor and council members were there night and day-but all you want to do is condemn and spread negativity with false assumptions….nothing you state is valid or acceptable….keep going and I’ll keep answering….when you have the heart and conscience to say who you are, then maybe someone will listen to you…but right now you are zero….

    Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 7:01 pm | Permalink
  42. A Voter 2 wrote:

    #41 so you are saying there were no lawsuits ??? I think everyone knows what and who you stand for thats ok opionions are ok but you cant make up your own facts, and try to change the topic. I think you should start you own blog i would call it Nonsense but you can call it what every you want.

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 9:24 am | Permalink
  43. Anonymous wrote:

    Until reading the word nonsense in the above context it didn’t occur to me what is so obvious to many reading this blog; somewhat like watching the cat catch her own tail for hours amusing herself and the night watchers

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 10:24 am | Permalink
  44. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    #43 watch out the “policewoman” is going to come after you for not using your name. OOOh

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 10:54 am | Permalink
  45. #42-You’re another person who can’t read! I referenced judgements-referring to judgements handed down by law-then stating one can agree or disagree with them..your inferential reading skills are the idea about my own blog- but think I’ll call it For Voter 2 and Like-Minded Knuckleheads…and for #43-my logo for my blog will be a Cat chasing its tail-I kind of like that image….#44-Clever jibe-it’s all about bravery-if you are cowardly and or embarrassed about your own thoughts, then you use an alias-something like yourself-it’s interesting to me that #42, 43, and 44 fail to realize that I respond only when I’m mentioned on the comment section-yet you find it wrong for me to respond-want some weak-minded person to remain silent? Look again-hope all of you recover from your cowardice and embarrassment and I look forward to the day when you have the courage to identify yourselves and add credibility to your thoughts/ideas…..the best part is you resent my responses..that’s why you post silly, inane have no other tools in your tool in your thinking and vocabulary.I like my cat image-always alert and cunning (not cute cunning-clever cunning…)…seeking out my irresponsibly spoken prey!

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
  46. Anonymous wrote:

    The word of the week is: “IF”.

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 4:06 pm | Permalink
  47. For #42, 43, # 44-Here’s a quote from Shakespeare’s Hamlet-“To thine own self be true….” hopefully these words will help you to overcome your fears snd your identity crises …..encouraging you to use your actual name on this blog….how can anyone accept your words or thoughts if you’re not true to yourself?..Self-confidence can be yours!

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 5:20 pm | Permalink
  48. Ms.Sarcastic wrote:

    #47 Wow You show your own insecurities you can’t even defend the indefensible so you change the subject, rehash old news not even related to the current problems, and can only think of making fun of others and not even address or explain the misdeeds of the mayor and council that caused the lawsuits.

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 7:06 pm | Permalink
  49. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #48….I’m insecure??? I use my real identity…sorry that you don’t understand the written word… I answered every question put to me…there me

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 8:00 pm | Permalink
  50. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #48…I’m insecure? I use my real name…you don’t… I call that insecure…Making fun of others?? Your one-way thinking is clear… Have you read the remarks about me??? Poor you.. Feeling sorry for yourself.. Seems I got to you … As your last posting makes no sense… Sounds like you’re grasping for straws … I defend all the good deeds, economic growth, downtown progress, no tax increase, shared services endeavors, the way we came back from Sandy… I could go on and on ….why do you choose to reject all of the positives ? If I’m repeating myself as you claim, it’s because you’re not grasping it… By the way …aren’t you the one who said that I was as happy as a pig in you know what? How does that demonstrate insecurities? An insecure person would cower in a corner with your negative remarks …I choose to respond … Go to your dictionary and check the definition of insecure.. You might learn something new…

    Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 8:14 pm | Permalink
  51. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    So i and others have no credibility because we don’t use our names???? i know that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west that is a FACT and has nothing to do if my name is Mary Holly or Joan. Your party has no credibly on being honest and trustworthy. NOT one has responded to any of the comments made or even asked what can we do to make things better. You do not want to accept criticisms of the mayor and council and as the Democratic chair you are aiding and abetting their bad behavior . You deserve any criticism

    Friday, January 8, 2016 at 8:34 am | Permalink
  52. Ms.Sarcstic wrote:

    Sorry about the typo i meant to say credibility not credibly.

    Friday, January 8, 2016 at 8:59 am | Permalink
  53. callmecynical wrote:

    Thanks, Dave. That was going nowhere slowly.

    Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:44 am | Permalink
  54. Anonymous wrote:

    Marketing 101, good or bad message get MAD MEN outside the box, if it doesn’t fit, it does not matter, the barnacles can be scrapped off and the windows can be dressed. The whore house doesn’t have to reflect the interior occupants or its patrons.

    Friday, January 8, 2016 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

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