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Lunchtime Rumbling

Clair Deicke makes a few points in today’s letter to the Asbury Park Press, one valid, the rest mostly wrong.

It’s true that the Avon Pavilion is a very different building than the planned Taylor Pavilion so cost comparisons aren’t totally valid.  But it also seems that by having their public works department do much of the construction, and by keeping other costs under control, that public officials in Avon were doing their best to keep the price down.  I don’t get that impression about the situation here in Belmar.

Deicke then goes on to state that we need to hurry because building costs are going up.  I see no evidence of that and I hate when salesmen tell me I need to rush a decision before the price increases.  Usually my response to such pressure is “Thanks, but no thanks.”

As for her argument that community groups use the building and that beachgoers can come in out of the rain, I would say why is it that no other town in the area sees the need for a $4 million beachfront community center and rain shelter?  Not Bradley Beach, Avon, Spring Lake, Sea Girt, Manasquan, Point Beach, Bayhead, Mantoloking, The Brick beaches, Lavalette, Ortley Beach, Seaside Heights, or Seaside Park.  Why is it only Belmar sees great need to have such a building right away?  Don’t these other towns have community groups?  Don’t their beachgoers want to get out of the rain?  And by the way, when the town passed the resolution to have a summer camp for the kids, no mention was made that they needed a $4 million beachfront building for it.  Other towns have summer camps.  None of them spent $4 million on a building for it.

Claire ends her letter with the following:

Opponents threaten another petition drive that will force a referendum vote. Haggling will continue to divide our community. It’s time to put differences aside and move forward with bringing this iconic pavilion back to Belmar’s beachfront.

I say the reason another referendum may be needed is because the Council refuses to honor the vote on the last one.  And if they really want to stop dividing the community and put differences aside then drop this crazy $4 million pavilion idea.

Anyway, I have to get back to work.


  1. OLD MAN wrote:

    And the beat goes on.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
  2. Teddy Ehmann wrote:

    I will take your lunchtime rumblings over their emotional nonsense any day.
    Wow, like the Avon Pavilion where Bill and I enjoy many a great breakfast ( very ADA compliant and can we talk about the Nova Lox scramble on weekends, Oye! ), I digress. The only way to sell the additional 3 million for the Taylor ( Sorry the John Taylor Memorial Pavilion is to call it “iconic”. Unfortunately, the “iconic” Taylor met the fate of all previous pavilions. As hurricane season approaches and “global warming, chaos, whatever! threatens the miniature golf capital of the U.S. let us be happy that thanks to level-headed voters, we can all sleep more soundly.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
  3. An Observation wrote:

    Who is haggling ?? There is no haggling we demand common sense and fiduciary responsibility be used and not an inflated project built with Democratic supporters, so they can pay back the donated money. I have disdain for dishonest agendas. Thankfully the law is on the common sense side of things.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 2:53 pm | Permalink
  4. The Truth wrote:

    It cost 1.2 not 2.1 , it has full HVAC ( that’s heat and AC Claire) , it was built when rebuilding the boardwalk ( planning ahead I guess ) built on concrete pilings with steal beams also built over the sand and to fema flood regs. The open air pavilion of that you speak of ( they have built 2 since sandy) your correct no heat or AC but it will keep you dry in a storm. It can also hold town function 4 months out of the year. You might ask where we go for the other 8 months , and I would say that’s why we a have municipal building. But if that’s not avail we go to the new marina building that was also built in house. Now I’m not sure what the “open air ” pavilion cost or the new marina building but I’ll bet you a pot of your famous meatballs it was less than 4.1 million.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 2:54 pm | Permalink
  5. Guest wrote:

    Not for nothing, but the school is the one of the most expensive things in town when it comes to our taxes. The school is empty right now. Women’s club should meet there, senior lunches in the summer could be in the school cafeteria, and they also have a stage. Summer theatre group anyone? We have invest so much money in the middle of town, yet it’s only used 8-4 Monday-Friday, September-June.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
  6. Belmar Voter wrote:

    #3. Spot on. We are not haggling. Haggling necessitates that both parties are trying to reach the end price. #5.
    Whoever you are please run for Borough Council.

    When you visit Moscow, you view an abundance of icons. ( an object of uncritical devotion ). I have more fond memories of 13th Ave. where we celebrated my birthday year after year. It had more architectural style BUT it certainly was not iconic. For, Claire it seems that ” absence makes the heart grow fonder.” While I admire her jump to make Mr. Ehmann wrong after his remark in the AAP. That fact remains, you are being critical and 60% of the Belmar voters are not “haggling”.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm | Permalink
  7. An Observation wrote:

    #6 thank you i would never run as i am not a pc person nor follow democratic ideology. I am for a fiscally responsible government that does not pander to agendas.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 4:29 pm | Permalink
  8. Southie wrote:

    Here is the mayor’s flyer when he was selling both pavilions for 4.3 million.

    How can the Taylor alone now be 4.1 million.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
  9. Belmarguy wrote:

    We use to have almost 30 men working full time for public works… Problem is, after Paul Grecco retired Andy Murley really did some bad things and didnt re hire and/or replace the people that retired… This is why we have our garbage and recycling contracted out to a company… Getting back to my point, we had the work force to build a structure like Avon did… The men that worked in the 90’s were a combo of woodshop guys, plumbing and heating and electrical too.. Now we’re lucky if we have 5 full timers who just ride around and do nothing all day…

    Matt wants these buildings to look like and/or replace fishermans pier for parties and extravagant events for his people… We have Matt by the horns, don’t let go until we get what we want…

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
  10. Belmar Voter wrote:

    #7. OK since you put it that way, I will run your campaign and kick off your run with a check for $2600.. That being said, we need one more clone of you next year.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 6:37 pm | Permalink
  11. sweetiepieface wrote:

    There is no division of peoples in Belmar. Everyone gets along very well in my estimation. No one has set up battle lines with me because of my centrist political views or otherwise. Do you know something that I’m missing? retribution? Warning of impending danger? paint brush seems to lack enough paint yet again.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
  12. OLD MAN wrote:

    #11 what did you say?

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 8:01 pm | Permalink
  13. Pootsie wrote:

    $4.1 million for the new Taylor Pavilion.
    Most of us remember at least two occasions in the last 25 years where we lost the pavilion and rebuilt it. Don’t remember any of this nonsense about cost,redesign, questionable refinancing, long term bonding debt etc. Maybe because we were happy with just replacing what we had. The plans never resembled the Taj Mahal. If, and probably when, the new Taylor Pavilion goes down we will be paying for it forever.

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 6:31 am | Permalink
  14. Cathi wrote:

    Can you visualize 20 blocks of people running to a Pavilion on 5th to get out of the rain? Not 20 really, anything below 16th will run to D’Jais.

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 8:23 am | Permalink
  15. Eugene Creamer wrote:

    The author of the subject letter is the Chair of the Belmar Democratic Committee …. Last year, the BDC took $10+K from organized labor to push pavilions and now they want their pound of flesh …. Belmar taxpayers have no obligation to pay the BDC debt.
    Most bothersome to me is the reference to “environmental issues” in the letter …. the proposed pavilions didn’t undergo any environmental review or receive any DEP approval. The beach is one of our most valuable natural resources and endangered Least Terns are currently nesting at the north end….

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 8:32 am | Permalink
  16. Katrina wrote:

    Eugene , you as always apply logic and fact to your statements. Can’t wait for the banner plane encouraging us to borrow borrw borrow!!! I also love that our Mayor is going to do us all a favor by CAPPING the Taylor at 4.1. Check out the flyer Number 8 Southie linked. On that flyer also is the buy a board money. According to an August 2013 Coast Star article mayor Doehy claimed to have used that for the boardwalk. My question is two fold. How many times can he claim to use the same money and how much do we still owe on our original 20 million dollar bond? Any one know?

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 9:14 am | Permalink
  17. An Observation wrote:

    #15 that’s what self centered, political agendas are all about. The shame of it is there is no $$ to the local Republican candidates or even support to get the truth to the people.

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 9:23 am | Permalink
  18. An Observation wrote:

    #10 I appreciate the thought but will regretfully decline. Perhaps you might want to pool the money with Ken if necessary to get the truth out to the people.

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 10:19 am | Permalink
  19. Love Summer wrote:

    4.1 million is WAY too much for a pavilion building, especially since it could be destroyed in a hurricane.

    Why doesn’t Belmar have a vote giving 3 possible costs (all of them well under 4 million) and then once voters pick a cost, find a builder who will do it for that.

    Just get the pavilion built already!!!!!!!

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
  20. Anonymous wrote:

    If you’re going to spend 4 million plus on the Pavilion. I want to see an itemized bill of cost. If the council can’t do that then no pavilion. Can’t hide the cost unless your hiding something.

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
  21. excuse me wrote:

    People do not come to Belmar for the pavilions. This summer Belmar is attracting crowds without them.

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 3:12 pm | Permalink
  22. sweetiepieface wrote:

    Millions, schmillions, who cares? It’s free for all to enjoy the pavillion. Free as in someone else will be on the hook for the bill. Let’s just be serious friends and get it over with. CAFRA Be damned. THE DEP and EPA as well. DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT PROSPECTIVE INSURANCE COSTS. The council has a political agenda and that’s it. Paybacks are an Itch.

    Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
  23. Cathi wrote:

    2014 Coastal Tide report for next 30 years. Debt could last longer than the structure will.

    Friday, July 17, 2015 at 8:36 am | Permalink
  24. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    #21 Excuse Me you are so right, also no one got sick or died due to lack of them.

    Friday, July 17, 2015 at 8:37 am | Permalink
  25. Cathi wrote:

    It’s what Belmar wants vs. what Belmar needs.

    Friday, July 17, 2015 at 10:07 am | Permalink
  26. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Administrator-I confirmed with two people in the construction field-one a relative and one a husband of a friend in the business-both confirm that building material prices rise..why would this industry be different than anything else? Not a pressuring or scare tacic-just a fact..The word iconic was used to stress what the Taylor Pavilion has meant to the town and residents…..Ken Pringle used this word to describe our beloved pavilion last year at a council meeting-haggling does have to do with money-doesn’t the word describe what’s happening? Opponents challenge the $4.1 million pricetag, comparing it to others of rebuilt pavilions? $1.2 million is less than 2.1 million….I said less than 2.1 million…..1.2 mil falls in that category…I know what HVAC means..Cathi-living in Belmar for nearly 50 years, I’ve been caught in many a sudden thunderstorm at the beach-mothers with young children, elderly, among many others found safety in the Taylor Pavilion-while you and the administrator challenge my remark, I think it’s a good thing to have shelter for that reason….even lifeguards ran to the pavilion..not the only reason for the pavilion, but a good one …love that my meatballs are constantly referenced on this blog! (it’s all in the rolling of the meat in the palms…that’s how to make a great meatball!) Gene Creamer…I mentioned environmental issues because that’s an important point for rebuilding-not that environmental evaluations did or didn’t happen-now that I brought it up, maybe these issues will be investigated before rebuilding….also you once again bring up the union donations to BDC and the pavilions…not so…unsubtantiated claims…but I have a feeling you’ll continue to bring this up even if I continue to tell you that there’s no connection..

    Friday, July 17, 2015 at 8:00 pm | Permalink
  27. admin wrote:

    If we need pavilions to shelter from the rain we are going to have to build 18 or 20 of them. And please explain why no other town from Sandy Hook to Seaside Park has built a pavilion/community center anywhere near the scale or cost of the proposed Taylor pavilion on their beaches.

    Friday, July 17, 2015 at 9:33 pm | Permalink
  28. Claire Deicke wrote:

    One more thing-with respect to the “absence makes the heart grow fonder” remark….
    I’m not absent!!

    Friday, July 17, 2015 at 8:10 pm | Permalink
  29. lucky duck wrote:

    Doess anyone remember ever seeking shelter at the 5th Ave, 8th Ave 10th Ave, 13th Ave, 16th Avè Tabs or 18th Ave pavillions during thunder or lightning storms? No, it generally was your practce to go across the street to a business location or you ran home to a rental or your family’s home. The lifeguards after clearing went to whatever bar was closèr for afternoon delights. Looks like revisionist truth-telling of history is easi)y being tainted to put political agendas forth these days. Shame on you.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 12:07 am | Permalink
  30. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    Good morning Claire, A better solution is for the mayor and council to ban thunderstorms in Belmar during the season. I’m sure they could come together after much back and forth (they might even form a sub-committee to study the problem and get back to the council with their findings), tribulation and wringing of hands and pass such an ordinance. There might be a bit of a problem enforcing it, but I’m sure our ever diligent constabulary is up to the task.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 7:04 am | Permalink
  31. An Observation wrote:

    #26 the construction costs typically do not go up that dramatically unless there is an issue with raw materials. The Largest cost in construction is labor. There is a tent on the silver lake area the lifeguards and others have gone there the few times the weather was bad. Overspending on a pavilion is not justification for an overspending on a pavilion as most taxpayers agree with.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 9:32 am | Permalink
  32. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    #28 We have to build them because that’s what the counsel and supporters want. They enjoy acting like spoiled kids, instead of stomping their feet they come up with the most ridiculous reasons for overspending a project.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 10:04 am | Permalink
  33. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Administrator & Lucky Duck-I was making a point about what I observed during my many years of enjoying the beach at 5th ages 46 & 44..would pack up and run like heck to the pavilion to safety..the three of us were regular beachgoers when they were young…Doug worked in the summer so he couldn’t join was that convenient to just run to the pavilion…people found refuge in the Taylor Pavilion when a sudden storm arose….beachgoers from 5th and those at a nearby location such as 3rd or 4th Aves.would do the same..why is my bringing up a safety factor such a bone of contention for you, administrator? You continue to negatively over-simplify a very obvious and realistic idea of the pavilion providing safety during sudden bad weather..Lucky Duck-why would people run to stores when the pavilion was right there?.Tom-great humor…I think I’m in pretty good stead with the Almighty…maybe my prayers would be answered about banning storms in Belmar.. #31…according to my sources, construction prices, overall, go up, not down…Tom, you were in the construction industry… you want to weigh in on this?

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 10:51 am | Permalink
  34. Belmar Voter wrote:

    Claire: I was referring to the absence of the pavilion + a growing romantic memory of it.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 11:16 am | Permalink
  35. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Thank you, Belmar Voter-for the clarification….I agree with you, 100%

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 12:29 pm | Permalink
  36. An Observation wrote:

    #33 yes material costs do go up slightly but does not justify the council’s desire to build what they want and not worry about costs or potential increase in taxes.Their choices have resulted in lawsuits that a Judge has intervened, I think its time they act in a responsible manner.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
  37. ms.perspicacity wrote:

    “Saints” be praised! I pray for wisdom for the Mayor and Council members – wisdom regarding fiscal responsibility, and no more bogus accounting malarkey. We were not born yesterday. Nothing is free, except air. This year the pavilion is free according to the mayor; last year it was to cost each Belmar taxpayer something like $1.41 or something close. Yeah, right.

    Mr. Dilberger, may I have your autograph?

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:30 pm | Permalink
  38. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #29-Lucky Duck-Why on earth would I ever lie about people seeking shelter in the pavilion..either inside or on the back porch under the eave at Taylor Pavilion? As I’ve explained, my children and I did this when the sudden rains would begin to fall-we weren’t the only ones-shame on you for accusing me of being dishonest…and, if you still don’t believe me, any person with common sense would know that the pavilion served as an easy-to-get-to safe haven at the onset of a summer storm-calling me a liar doesn’t help your case….lacking common sense on your part explains everything…

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 3:57 pm | Permalink
  39. admin wrote:

    Let’s build rain shelters at every beach so everybody can be protected.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
  40. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Administrator-Can’t believe that you’re belaboring the point-my comment was that Taylor Pavilion served as shelter during a sudden storm…you, also, are making a mockery of common sense-the very concept that you use to title this blog…I just listed this as one of the ways (among other ways) Taylor Pavilion was helpful to residents, tourists, and the public at large-me thinks I’ve struck a chord with you-that you have to keep beating this idea up…that you have to defend your position…you’re singling this out as a bad notion..or unrealistic thought..I for one am glad that the pavilion was there to serve people on many levels..and know that the new one will do the same…..yes, even the notion that it’ll serve as protective shelter in inclement weather..your remark above mine is surprising and a bit childish..

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 4:38 pm | Permalink
  41. An Observation wrote:

    #39 Admin don’t give them any ideas, more work for the DPW maintaining and snow clearing.It is amazing they are still scheming to spend more money and get their $$ supporters the pavilion projects, after 2 lost lawsuits.Are they that driven or just incompetent??????

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
  42. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    #40 if you and the council are so hellbent on overspending and using Democratic supporters to build the pavilions why don’t all of you raise the money privately and out of your own pockets to overspend and have whoever you want to build it. The taxpayers would not object to that.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 5:03 pm | Permalink
  43. admin wrote:

    Maybe we could use the Home by Summer $$

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm | Permalink
  44. An Observation wrote:

    #40 sorry the only ones making a mockery of common sense is the council. They lost 2 lawsuits are they trying for 3??? Are they that driven to do what they want until a judge says otherwise or just incompetent to understand common sense.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
  45. Katrina wrote:

    Actually I think the admin has a valid point. Why spend 4.1 million in one building when we could put some sun and rain shelter gazibos at the old 8th and 13th areas. I kinda remember way back when this all started that being suggested at a meeting by one of the Mayor’s staunch supporters. It would be wonderful to spread the love a little further south. No flash no hurricane doors or windows just a nice place to sit to get out of the elements

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 5:20 pm | Permalink
  46. admin wrote:

    As an “element”, I object.

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 5:46 pm | Permalink
  47. Irisheyes wrote:

    After seeing what they built over on 14th avenue with all the pretty bells and whistles, I don’t think that there will be any “Home By Summer ” money left. From the looks of it there is not even enough to finish the house. Good thought though!

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 8:15 pm | Permalink
  48. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #42-Hell bent? I say “heaven blessed” that our mayor and council wish to move forward on the Taylor Pavilion…that we’ve had no tax increases in 5 years…that we came back from Sandy the way we did..that our Main Street is booming….and that home by summer was set up for the two families not back home due to Sandy….
    #43-I don’t know about your common sense angle….you know the old saying…..a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing….don’t think you have any solid info on the subject…common sense has to do with more than slamming others for things you don’t fully understand…common sense has to do with a logical approach to issues…you have no evidence that the taxpayers will bear the brunt of the price tag on the pavilion..also, faceless people who wish ficticious names lack common sense..

    Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
  49. lucky duck wrote:

    Reminder: THOMAS PAINE wrote his pamphlets to get the word out to the residents nor to aggrandize the king or the tories

    Gazebos at every beach would be so fair to all the people. we could then do fund raising for rocking chairs. Looks like beach utility funds would cover costs for construction and upkeep as well. No common scold can decry this progressive path.

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 7:49 am | Permalink
  50. An Observvation wrote:

    #48 your comments are biased bs. Fact is the council purposely passed and ordinance to restrict potential bidders and insure union labor, the council was sued and lost, and got sued again so if that is common sense and acting in a fiduciary responsible manner please factually explain how it is. The tax has not gone up yet and you cannot state as fact it will not go up in the future.

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 8:39 am | Permalink
  51. Eugene Creamer wrote:

    I didn’t lose a minute sleep because Sandy destroyed Taylor Pavilion …. nobody did …. all the Belmartian pain and suffering was caused by private property flooding …. there wouldn’t be a need for “HBS fundraisers”, if the Borough did a better job protecting private property from flood damage.
    The Lake Como and A Street pipes are positive steps to improve flood drainage …. but, neither is a cure-all. The misery of flood threat persists at Lake Como, Silver Lake, Ocean Ave and the L Street beach areas. There is much work that could, and should, be done to improve private property flood protection.
    It is all about priorities and clubhouse pavilions should be at the bottom of the list …. or eliminated.
    Our elected officials boast that the new pavilions would be elevated for the V Zone and able to withstand another Sandy …. do they really think I get comfort knowing the pavilions would survive …. while my house gets washed away?

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 10:13 am | Permalink
  52. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #50-Fact is, YOU don’t know that taxes WILL increase-our history has been no tax increases in 5 years….the problem with individuals who post on this blog is that they make assumptions and express incomplete thoughts because they have no evidence…can’t back up accusations.-biased bs? The benefits to our town which I listed are happening-all good things-why would you attempt to undermine obvious progress being noticed by all of our residents? Calling it bs? Let’s climb on the negative band wagon.. At the very least, try to be open-minded..don’t let negative thoughts overshadow all of the fantastic events/activities/progress happening in Belmar…you’re entitled to your opinions, but one-way thinking only brings our community down..accusing me of one-way thinking? Like the pot calling the kettle black.. I have very strong opinions about how/why the suit prevailed-if you’d like to meet with me, I’ll detail them for you-afraid I’d cause a small riot on this blog if I explained how I thought about all of that, including the petitioning/referendum of last year, went down….commentary would be endless-but my reasoning/ideas wouldn’t line up with yours…also, in my opinion, apprenticeship is a good thing…encourages young people to look to trades for employment…why do you refuse to recognize the progress our town has seen in the last six years or so? Also, people who resort to terms like bs demonstrate a lacking in their language usage….

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 11:47 am | Permalink
  53. Ms. Sarcstic wrote:

    Your come back comments are laughable trying to justify the ethical misconduct. Purposely rigging a bid to encourage young people to a trade???? You also attacks on people who disagree with you shows who you really are, we are not stupid and we are tired of the shenanigans. It really does seem the council enjoys getting sued and losing. Its a shame what has to been done to make sure the right thing is being done.

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
  54. An Observation wrote:

    #52 So your factual explanation is to attack me and others that do not agree with your biased opinions. You cannot defend the fact that the council was sued s times and lost. I have no desire to meet anyone who attacks people for their opinions.You seem to dwell in the past the concern is the future. Not everyone wants an overpriced hand picked vendors to construct the pavilions. The council does not seem to care about what others think, they do what they want get sued and lost twice and you say i have a problem???

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
  55. Claire Deicke wrote:

    # 54Put your money where your mouth is….you don’t want to meet with me because your cowardice is showing…….let’s get real-you don’t want me to know who you are….we could easily talk things out…why am I the one being faulted? You have your opinions and I have mine-but I can’t express them, and they’re biased…..they’re not…just look around you..not biased…..they’re truthful#53-you have no proof that there was bid-rigging….assumptions galore.. #53….I’m not dwelling on the past…..good things in Belmar are happening NOW…I’ve never hidden who I am…or I’d be using a false title like most of you who comment on this blog…how can any of you be thought of as giving valid testimony to anything when you remain “mysterious”……again….you’d never post nasty, negative remarks using your real name…as I formally stated I can certainly express my convictions about the suits, but wish to do it face-toface-but you’re too afraid to meet with me, using a feeble excuse…..ironically, you can express your opinions but I can’t express mine (?) I thought the law of the land allows me to do so….and how many names have you posted on? You phrasing and choice of words are familiar to me…..under another name…..if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen!

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 4:59 pm | Permalink
  56. lucky duck wrote:

    Bonfire of the vanities comes to mind.

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 5:59 pm | Permalink
  57. An Observation wrote:

    #56 Lucky Duck so are so right.

    #55 I never said you were entitled to your point of view or opinion however you still cannot explain why the council lost twice, and when people bring facts up you attack them.

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 7:20 pm | Permalink
  58. Irisheyes wrote:

    I know this getting off the subject but I am very bothered by this whole HBS project and fundraiser, talking about all of these things going on in Belmar not making sense, this would be one of them for me.Is there not anyone else curious as to why they stopped posting the updates on the houses and the contributions also. In the beginning they were post everything, every fundraiser, how much they were raising and the updates and progress of both the Keefe and Sperber homes. Does anyone else not find it odd that the deadline came and went and there were no updates as to how much was raised in total or if the projects were completed. Not a word after all the publicity that was being done for the fundraiser. We don’t even know where our donations went. Also the fact that it seems they went way over board with Ms Keefe’s house. How can it be that we are funding to build a house three times the size and not to mention the condition the house was pre storm to what stands now.I mean im sorry I thought the idea was to build what these families lost, so they could come home nothing more ,nothing less. Can anyone justify or even explain and make sense of why this beautiful 5 bedroom,4 bath,3 fireplaces,2 zone central air with all the extra bells and whistles is being built where there was nothing more than a 3 bedroom,1 bath and in very poor condition bungalow styles house once sat. I don’t know much on how it all works but I know something’s not right or fair. And the fact that so many people are questioning it and it is not being addressed by our Mayor. What are they hiding or covering up. Its disgusting knowing there are other people still without and what makes this family so worthy where others are not? Can anyone shed light on the situation for any of us who are concerned about this matter.

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 8:29 pm | Permalink
  59. lumositis wrote:

    CHECK OUT THE SURCHARGES ON YOUR FLOOD INSURANCE BILL. Did you know that you are subsidizing your local businesses who “suffered” from the effects of Superstore Sandy even if you did not file a claim. And, hey, you get to continue to subsidize said businesses in your future bills. Belmar’s rating anyone?

    Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
  60. Belmarguy wrote:

    @CLAIRE DEICKE: Stop being a punk please, you’re acting like a child…

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 12:16 am | Permalink
  61. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Belmar Guy-I’m acting like a child? Childish is someone who uses one false name after another because he’s afraid of being identified.-The editors at the APP don’t think I’m childish-two featured letters in just over two months-about my stance on the pavilions! Imagine that….I’m just reiterating what I stated in the featured letters ….childish is someone who can’t own up to who they are….it’s like a game he is playing….observation-I can fully explain my sense about the law suits-meet with me and I’ll tell you….my explanations are right on target-let’s meet at D & D by the school-say the end of this week-let me know…

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 8:39 am | Permalink
  62. critique this wrote:

    reviewing the last year’s comments by name and it all added up to the same OK CORRAL dialogue. love the fresh ideas and solutions provided. implementation is, of course, another mountain to climb. whining never wins regardless of how long in the toother the gun fighters are these days.Adulation is not the goal of a 21st century blog

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 9:31 am | Permalink
  63. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    #60 you are so right on. If she is even writing what she says, notice the only one questioning the commentators name is her, no one is questioning if in fact she is getting help from someone for the comments. #61 we are not giving up. If you continue to support the fact that the democratic council is on the right track after losing 2 lawsuits you need to get on another train we are watching.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 9:41 am | Permalink
  64. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    Interesting that she wants to meet with people to “explain”, yet has not had any fact here to defend the reason the council lost 2 lawsuits.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 9:52 am | Permalink
  65. Belmarguy wrote:

    @CLAIRE DEICKE: it’s not very hard to get your letter published into a liberal news paper like the app… It’s very obvious that you’re going to stick up for your party members and clap at all the council meetings when Matt makes a statement… And btw, no thanks on the d&d… Offer me lobster and a martini at Kleins and I’ll promise to consider it…

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 10:20 am | Permalink
  66. Belmarguy wrote:

    I truly believe CLAIRE DEICKE is being thrown out there to speak on behalf of Matt and the cronies views… What kills me is how Matt sits there in silence at the council meetings when someone walks up to that mic and speaks from their heart trying to get a message across.. He sits there not giving any XXXX…

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 10:25 am | Permalink
  67. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    A tent at the plaza catered by Brandl unlimited surf and turf and open bar and we are all in.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 10:30 am | Permalink
  68. elemental wrote:

    The mayor tells people what they want to hear (sometimes) to brush them off and then does what he wants. Kind of like a buddha with a clenched mouth, not terribly serene but with his own agenda, residents be damned. 3 1/2 more years to put up with this guy! And some folks seem to worship him. What kind of sparkly fairy-dust does he sprinkle around town to numb brains and beguile the democrat groupies?.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 10:36 am | Permalink
  69. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Belmar Guy-No one is throwing me out there……all statements are original “Claire Deicke isms…”also, you’re on for dinner….

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:23 pm | Permalink
  70. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Please receive this posting as an olive branch-since there continues to be interest in my Mom’s meatballs (The Truth-#4)..Karen Oliveri must have a similar recipe, as she possesses that beautiful Italian name..
    Rose D’Ambrosio’s meatballs: (My Mom)
    ingredients-1lb chopped beef, 2 eggs,1/4
    cup grated Italian cheese, 1/4 cup breadcrumbs, 2 sprigs of parsley diced, 1clove of garlic, cut thin,dash of salt and pepper,and your favorite tomato sauce
    Directions-saute garlic until it’s shiny, not brown-mix all ingredients (thoroughly) with meat. If mixture is too moist, add a bit more breadcrumbs or cheese.. if it’s too dry, add a splash of water..Shape meatballs until they’re well-formed, probably the size of golf balls. (it’s all in the palms!) Fry in sizzling oil until they’re golden brown. Place the meatballs into bubbling tomato sauce. Cook for an hour and 1/2..this recipe will make 17-18 meatballs…serve with pasta.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
  71. admin wrote:

    I can’t understand why, when we got married, she didn’t want to change her name. It does seem similar to how she makes them. I’ll have to ask her when I get home.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
  72. An Observation wrote:

    #70 As someone who represents a political party and government, your comments and attitude are extremely unprofessional, and i will leave it at that.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
  73. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #72-Does mean you won’t try my meatballs?

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
  74. The Truth wrote:


    I noticed you didn’t take accept the bet .

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 4:19 pm | Permalink
  75. Claire Deicke wrote:

    Actually, Mr. Truth-my family and I are about to enjoy my meatballs with pasta……it was really hot when I was cooking-even though we have air conditioning-how about giving me a pass until it gets cooler?

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
  76. Belmarguy wrote:

    @CLAIRE DEICKE #73: I take that as a sexual remark..

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 5:48 pm | Permalink
  77. Belmarguy wrote:

    @CLAIRE DEICKE #75: you know you’re an old geezer when you eat dinner at 4:30 pm…

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
  78. An Observation wrote:

    #76 Belmar Guy Please don’t stoop to her level, you are a much better person and we already know what and who she stands.We don’t need to take the gun instead of the canoli we have justice on our side.

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 8:32 pm | Permalink
  79. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #76-I don’t get it…#77-you’re so right..the older you get, the earlier you dine-#78….you’re a confused person…..and very angry-on the plus side, thanks for remembering my use of that famous quote from The Godfather-I am making an impression on you commenters! People remember my meatballs, and now the cannolis..all positive-all Italian!! I’m getting your attention-in a good way!! If it’s Italian, what could be bad? (Lighten up, #78-I am…..)

    Monday, July 20, 2015 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
  80. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    #78 at least she is somewhat entertaining, but i will ignore her her mantra is meaningless.

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 8:08 am | Permalink
  81. strictlyofftherecord wrote:

    Bloviating your blog, a progressive direction ad nauseum

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
  82. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #80-thanks for recognizing my comedic talents! #81-you know a lot of big words…good many names have you posted under? Again, I have a hint of who you are…..not kidding…’ve posted with other names…with a bit of a pompous air…

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
  83. Ms. Sarcastic wrote:

    #82 I take it back you are not funny you seem to get pleasure attacking people that do not have your point of view, I will judge you but you are not a very nice person, it seems your whole life is consumed trying to prove you are right. Im sure you will come back with some ridiculous self centered comment that you usually make.

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 1:05 pm | Permalink
  84. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #83-Thanks for the compliment anyway-don’t know why you’ve had such a quick change of heart-sounds like you’re not sure of yourself-frankly, I don’t take pleasure in attacking people-only stating my case when I’m mentioned on this blog-self-centered?-I don’t know about that…believe me, I have much more in my life …..a wonderful family….family members who need my support, magnificent grandchildren, friends, people who support all that I’ve done for the community-and continue to do so….why are you criticizing my right to answer when I’m mentioned on this blog? How is that attacking? I don’t think you’re making much sense-just a very angry person who blindly takes stabs at me because you don’t like me (I’m OK with that) or your thinking is limited….and you easily change your mind-if you can’t see that I’m attempting to make light of things on this blog, then I don’t know what to say-how about trying my meatball recipe? That should cheer you up! You are the only person in my nearly 73 years who has accused me of being self-centered..but your thinking is limited and you haven’t looked at my ongoing history with my involvement in this town…..with the beginning of this commentary, I responded to the administrator’s remarks about my recent letter to the APP….how is that attacking? Then the commentary became ongoing-I also think you would never make this comments about me to my face-outrage is not one of your strong points…and you don’t use sarcasm well-as your false title claims-look up the word in the dictionary-take a lesson from the administrator of this blog- he “gets” my humor-your don’t.. you’re humorless-not a good way to go through life….I hope things turn around for you… happy!

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 5:47 pm | Permalink
  85. admin wrote:

    BTW Claire, Karen’s meatball recipe almost exactly the same as yours.

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 5:58 pm | Permalink
  86. Claire Deicke wrote:

    I figured as much! Any paesan of mine no doubt has the same recipe!

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 6:14 pm | Permalink
  87. Claire Deicke wrote:

    #83-You don’t know me, and I don’t know you-I’m visiting my cousin Claire overnight from Philly…..she shared with me some of her funny remarks on this blog-I saw your commentsyou stated some things about her…..I want to set you straight she’s not a person who only cares about herself…if she were at all what you say (which she’s not) that all changed 15 years ago when she was diagnosed, and treated for breast cancer-she went thru severalrounds of chemo and 36 radiation treatments and 10 years of oral chemotherapy….whatever ego problems you claim she has went away then..I guessyouknow she started asupport group for cancer sirviors..i see hwat you think but you’re wrong-she didn’t ask me to dothis, but she knows I doing it-also I understand from doug that she never refused help for anyone who asked for it when she was in government, and she stillgets asked for help-cousinFran

    Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

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