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Monster Condos For Belmar Inn Neighborhood

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NEWS12 Reports:

 

Residents will fight for their neighborhood:

 

 

Lots of variances would be needed:

 

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Hearing will be next Wednesday:

 

Zoning board members should prepare for a long night.

102 Comments

  1. Anonymous wrote:

    A chance to rid Belmar of the largest eye sore that town has, this plan should not only be approved, but the Developer should be given a medal to risk that amount of money on this project. And yes, I would put it next to my house, if it was to get rid of the Belmar Inn. Insane and incredibly selfish!

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:28 am | Permalink
  2. Average Joe wrote:

    That is not an average request. Are they crazy?

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:32 am | Permalink
  3. Belle wrote:

    I’m totally against a 5 story building anywhere in town. This is not Queens! The zoning board gave me a very hard time just trying to build a 1 family. Unless they get their palms greased I find it hard to believe they would allow this. But then again this is BELMAR, where I’m afraid common sense has left the BUILDING!

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:33 am | Permalink
  4. Anonymous wrote:

    Any idea as to who the principles of Edelman Investment Group LLC are ?

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:15 am | Permalink
  5. Joan Corallo wrote:

    The height of the proposed buildings 63 feet 3 inches witch includes parapet height. 24 units on each side of the street. 88 parking places required. Only coming up with 48. Envision it on your street

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:27 am | Permalink
  6. Arthur Ammermuller wrote:

    If this project is approved is any Belmar Homeowner safe from a project like this going up across the street from them? There are two projects here, the Belmar Inn project and
    the same building size condo going up at 105, 107, 109 12th Ave. They are bascially across the street from each other . Both projecta are 62 feet high.
    The projects are too big, stay within the 35 height ordinance. They dont fit in a residential neighborhood. The Belmar Inn is presently shut down.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:07 am | Permalink
  7. Anonymous wrote:

    This development is way oversized for the zone and the application can not possibly meet the standards for a D variance. Granting a D variance must not create a substantial detriment to the public good or substantially impair the intent of the zone plan and zoning ordinance. How can an application requiring 11 variances possibly not impair the intent of the zone plan and zone ordinance. Note, a D variance requires the affirmative vote of at least five members of the zoning board.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:35 am | Permalink
  8. Jeanne Braun wrote:

    Any new development in this area should be within existing zoning laws. 48 units x 2-4 residents is a staggering increase in population for the block and for Belmar. These could well be full-time residents with kids to go to the schools. The traffic in that area will be unbearable and require additional traffic control personnel throughout the summer. How many new firefighters and new equipment will be needed to deal with these large structures? This is a terrible idea for this neighborhood and for Belmar. What a precedent.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:57 am | Permalink
  9. Anonymous wrote:

    Arthur, what you are failing to tell everyone is the only way anyone is going to spend the money to eliminate Belmars biggest dump is to put in the density needed to make it profitable. 18 units in each building DOES NOT make money. Let the doors fly open on that dump, ruin our town, and don’t complain!! Can’t have it both ways.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:11 am | Permalink
  10. Guest wrote:

    My father’s friend was going to buy a condo on ocean avenue in Belmar,a 3 story converted house(5 units)on the 900 block. He sent a builder friend to look at it, and was “told don’t buy it it’s shoddy workmanship”.Belmar is really changing and not in a good way.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:52 am | Permalink
  11. Maria Florio wrote:

    #9 Mr. Anonymous who does not have the guts to put his name down, get your facts straight, it is not 18 units, it is 24 units per building. If each building
    does not make money then why build it? Yes, I will take the rentals that are here for only 3mos and only the week ends and then I have my 9 mos. back of tranquility. Can I know where you live Mr Anonymous, could it be the North End.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:53 am | Permalink
  12. LC Resident wrote:

    Art is a Slum Lord anyways. He only cares when it’s near him and not in other areas where he collects Section 8 and his other rents.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
  13. Arthur Ammermuller wrote:

    All Im asking is to stay within the zoning limitations. Im not afraid to put my name on my opinion.

    Whats wrong with 6 attached row houses 35 feet high?
    Cant make enough money?

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 pm | Permalink
  14. Erica wrote:

    The last thing any Belmar resident needs is an eye sore that close to the beach. Not only will it affect the views of those nearby and next door, but it’s height will make it an impediment to everyone who values their views of the ocean and the charm of Belmar.

    Additionally, the thought of the traffic and parking issues that this will cause in the summer will even more negatively affect the already difficult issue of tourism in Belmar.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
  15. Eugene Creamer wrote:

    both buildings would be taller than the Mayfair and without any setbacks …. Mr. Shiper is proud the projects would eliminate 3 non-conforming uses and replace with 48 non-conforming uses.

    such a deal!

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
  16. Anonymous wrote:

    How many years of taxes and ware bills were not paid by yaire when he owned the Smellmar?

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
  17. What the heck is going on over there? Greed is ruining what little charm is left in your town. When will it end? I feel bad for the residents. We would never allow all that over here. Guess Magovern is no better.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:09 pm | Permalink
  18. Anonymous wrote:

    Guest- Its pretty funny that because your dad looked at one condo unit in Belmar and was told that workmanship was no good and not to buy it, does not reflect ALL condos in Belmar let alone a project that would be newly built. Being that a builder was not named in the application, How do you know the quality of the Builder to this project? Why are you assuming it is the same builder as the condo your dad looked at? Not sure what your point is, but clearly your position really has no relevance AT ALL.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
  19. F.T.R. wrote:

    Unfortunately the neighbors on 12th Avenue who are posting negative comments about the project are not accurate about this project. For one yes at this moment the Belmar Inn is shut down, only because of a pending purchase, but the violations in the event the deal does not get to the closing table will be cured and the Belmar Inn will be back up and running, as the Rooming House and those tenants it attracts. Joan- I wish you would give all the facts when you write such bold statements, for example on the Belmar Inn application yes, the applicant is requesting 24 spaces where 40 are required, however, you leave out a very important FACT: BELMAR INN CURRENTLY HAS 40 ROOMS (RENTED TO A FAMILY EACH ROOM) AND JOAN HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DOES THE BELMAR INN HAVE NOW——–ZERO. ENVISION THAT ON YOUR STREET, YOU FRAUD, IT IS ON YOUR STREET RIGHT NOW, THIS APPLICATION CREATES PARKING WHERE NONE EXISTS, MAKING IT BETTER NOT WORSE. AVERAGE JOE- these applicants are only crazy for trying to make Belmar on 12th avenue better when the neighbors there would rather keep their street filled with seasonal renters that don’t care about belmar. Ask Joan in a month when the Belmar Inn reopens about her vision. Maybe people with such big mouths should rally to make Belmar a better place instead of spreading inaccurate rumors. One can only hope that other residents within the Borough are not as ignorant as Joan, Art and the few others who are forming opinions without understanding and reading ALL the facts.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
  20. Lissette A. wrote:

    I saw this on the news last night. What a terrible idea. I do not have the privilege of living near the ocean, I need to drive down and spend lots of time looking for a parking spot. This proposed project will make parking in Belmar a nightmare.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:54 pm | Permalink
  21. I'm New Here wrote:

    Why does anyone think a 5-story building anywhere in Belmar is appropriate? Our town is too small for that type of construction. If you want to tear down the Inn, great, but to build 24 units there, plus 24 across the street, is pure nonsense. Imagine what that will look like from the beach!

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 4:24 pm | Permalink
  22. OLD MAN wrote:

    #16 Please set your sights on another town. If the zoning board approves this they need to explain why in a detailed analysis. That is an pro forma income statement with valid assumptions. Then ask , if it is profitable, why not just cut costs in the town equal to the income? Novel idea…cutting costs?

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 4:41 pm | Permalink
  23. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    Lots of variances would be needed:
    ———————————-
    As we used to say, “No sweat GI.”
    This is Belmar after all.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 5:19 pm | Permalink
  24. Average Joe wrote:

    #19 I think you are an above average greedy person. Most of those people renting at the Inn are below average and hence have no car. No need for parking. So#19 do you hate the average person who rents?

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 5:52 pm | Permalink
  25. Anonymous wrote:

    Recalling a lot of those fire trap hotels on Ocean Avenue burned down right before their sheriff’s sale dates. Wonder what will happen if the sale doesn’t go the because the potential deal makers can’t get their variancessss.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 5:53 pm | Permalink
  26. F.T.R. wrote:

    Average Joe, you described the individuals that rent at the Belmar Inn as below average and hence have no car, NOT TRUE FACT JUST MORE ASSUMPTIONS AND IGNORANCE. The Belmar Inn property is a known throughout the Borough as well as the illegal and dangerous activities that take place. Its an active hazard to the surrounding neighbors and property owners. If you think Im greedy and “above average” because I think Belmar would be better suited for individuals that take pride and contribute to the community, then the residents that frequent at the Inn. Its not greed though just support and hope for Belmar’s future success. Does anyone know of any individual/resident of the Belmar Inn that has positively impacted the community?

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
  27. Joan Corallo wrote:

    F.T.R. Who are you? You seem to have a lot of anger. Are you possibly one of the investors? My facts are taken from the registered letters mailed to surrounding homeowners. Go check them out at borough hall.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:19 pm | Permalink
  28. anonymous wrote:

    #19 I do not appreciate you calling Joan a Fraud,simply because she is informing residents of a potential project on 12th avenue. Looking at the Belmar map you can clearly see the Belmar Inn is an existing structure on approximately 2 conforming lots. On 13th ave there are vacant lots on the north side in the 1st block,and the Mayfair Hotel is also a huge detriment to Belmar on about 3 conforming lots. If this is approved does everyone who owns a few properties get to condense 3 or so conforming lots and go 62 feet in the air with 24 units all dispersed thru town? I hope so ! what’s good for one is good for all!!so if the north end thinks this doesn’t affect you think again. A project this size and changing the development of Belmar should start with the mayor and council then go to the planning board and then the board of adjustment.Yes the Belmar Inn has always been a huge issue. No one knows the many deaths that have occurred there including an infant a few years ago. If the Housing Department wrote enough tickets for all the violations,including putting full families in one room,if the Health department issued tickets for the roaches,BEDBUGS and filth in the rooms and if the police were able to bust the drugs over the years that place would have been CLOSED YEARS AGO!!CLAIMING A PUBLIC NUISANCE!!When a town wants to finally get rid of something they find ways.Yes condos would be an excellent idea,but at the moment it all seems excessive. p.s. the poor people that did live there barely had a car between all of them so I’m guessing that’s how they got away with needing spaces! SHOW UP PEOPLE AND VOICE YOUR OPINION

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:21 pm | Permalink
  29. Anonymous wrote:

    5 stories in Belmar would be just plain stupid.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
  30. Guest wrote:

    Oldest trick in the book,ask for 4 stories so you get the 3 stories you want.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 7:03 pm | Permalink
  31. F.T.R. wrote:

    Not an investor just a full time resident in Belmar, although I have not been here for decades I am hoping to be if things continued to improve by redeveloping. Redevelopment provides necessary improvements, it should be welcomed. IF anyone even took the time to read the posted notices sent that are posted they would see that Joan and others are mis-quoting specific numbers, and leaving out facts that are important for people to consider when forming an opinion. I did go to the Borough and review the plans in detail and understood the project before posting on this site, thats why I can confidently say that this project has far more positives to the Borough then negatives. The design from the inside out is gorgeous not just your average box. They will be statement buildings yes, but statements to be proud of and happy to around. And if it was that simple for the Borough to get rid of things they would not exist, however, its not that simple.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
  32. F.T.R. wrote:

    And #28—- not for nothing do you see all around Belmar is changing AND FOR THE BETTER. if you read through the redevelopment plans and re-exams, studies about the Borough of Belmar, the statics and things that are all positives and the direction Belmar is trying to get to. You can download them right from the Boroughs website and read them in the comfort of your own home. Not everyone has to like change, but change is inevitable. In the event Belmar does not take opportunities, continue to re-develop it will be hard to stay on the map and continue to bring attract families to this beautiful seashore town. Look what a little face lift and redevelopment did to the marina. Keep people talking about not only how great Belmar is, but how much potential it still has. Wouldnt it be great to see extra tax income for the Borough without individuals taxes going up? There are so many things that still need overall improvement, in the Borough and can only be achieved through funds.

    Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 7:45 pm | Permalink
  33. Average Joe wrote:

    #26 Well you fell for the bait. I know maybe they have a few cars. You have a financial interest in this project. Please put an egg in your shoe and beat it.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 5:25 am | Permalink
  34. OLD MAN wrote:

    #32 We all ready have miscreants enjoying our beaches. Go look for yourself. People showering their kids nude, dumping diapers on the ground. Oh yea we attract plenty of these . I for one prefer not to attract more.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 5:34 am | Permalink
  35. Bill Merkler wrote:

    While on the Council, I listened to the concerns of the residents, meeting after meeting complain of the Belmar Inn. A close friend lives just a few doors away, and the stories were horrific. As I became more involved with developing Belmar real estate, I realized that the purchase price would make it incredibly hard for that property to be redeveloped. I hope everyone realizes that this is the owners only option to developing this property. If denied, we are back to square one. I would hate to see that.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 7:23 am | Permalink
  36. OLD MAN wrote:

    #35 Only option? Really is it that bad? Who the hell are kidding? Yea guess you are right…no other ideas would work…none.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:00 am | Permalink
  37. Bill Merkler wrote:

    “Old man take a look at your life it’s a lot like me.” We both want what’s best for all of Belmar… in this case the numbers don’t make sense at less density. Sorry. But this is the reality of today’s market.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:34 am | Permalink
  38. Katrina wrote:

    With all due respect Bill, if putting two 60 ft high buildings in a residential zone, overshadowing ALL the other buildings in Belmar is our only option, we have more then just a 12th street problem. The precedent this sets is frightening.
    How do our politicians oppose the Brandywine project on Main St but allow this project?

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:37 am | Permalink
  39. Aileen Fahy wrote:

    F.T.R.: The current real estate market is helping all towns look better. Re-development wouldn’t happen if the market wasn’t good. As far as people accepting change, look at Avon, Spring Lake and Sea Girt. They don’t accept change. Tell me, how’s that working for them? Are their taxes skyrocketing? Are their services lacking? Are they lacking visitors? Personally, I like activity on Main St. but in this market we can be strict with developers and still get improvements.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:39 am | Permalink
  40. Summer Timer wrote:

    #32…. Thanks for the insight Matt…

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:40 am | Permalink
  41. Business Owner wrote:

    If someone overpaid for the Belmar Inn, why should this be the responsibility of the taxpayers of Belmar ? Why is high density housing a priority in Belmar? Who cares if developers can’t make enough profit? If there are problems at the Belmar Inn, let the police handle them. I don’t care if the numbers make sense.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:49 am | Permalink
  42. Aileen Fahy wrote:

    As long as parking is provided and traffic studies are done, improvements are good. The only problem I have is giving away our public buildings like the Gym, Police, Municipal Bldg and Pavilion.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:55 am | Permalink
  43. Maria Florio wrote:

    Bill. all I can say is you are 100% on their side. I need not say more.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 10:21 am | Permalink
  44. F.T.R. wrote:

    #41- no one over paid for the belmar inn just yet, if you read the application you will note that the applicant is only the contract purchaser. By next Friday the Belmar Inn could just as easily be back up and running. I need not say more.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 11:03 am | Permalink
  45. OLD MAN wrote:

    #41 Correct you need not say more. Please go away.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 11:17 am | Permalink
  46. Business Owner wrote:

    #44, So, let me understand your position, The threat is if the project is not approved it is back to business as usual. Is that correct? I will restate my my position to let the police enforce the law. There are other options for redevelopment if that is an issue. The developers ability to make a profit is not the taxpayers problem. Belmar has not proven to be a good steward of redevelopment. The Marina is a good example of this. As #39 stated Spring Lake , Sea girt etc. are not caught up in redevelopment mania and in case you haven’t noticed they are fine towns with good school systems.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 11:38 am | Permalink
  47. Eugene Creamer wrote:

    the Belmar Inn was purchased in 2003 for $1.4M …. at the time, it was income producing property …. at least enough to pay taxes, expenses and the cost of money.
    now, the property produces zero income due to law and code violations by the OWNER.
    taxes are about $28K a year

    if the owner is starting to feel the pinch …. the process is working.
    5 story urbanization is an unreasonable price for a town to pay to eliminate a nuisance.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 11:52 am | Permalink
  48. Anonymous wrote:

    Let’s go build two of these monstrosities in the north end next to Merklers house and see if he still thinks that’s the best option.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 12:52 pm | Permalink
  49. Anonymous wrote:

    Bill’s house is on a promontory type parcel of land when you think about it. Driveway to the top of that structure is how many feet?

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 1:31 pm | Permalink
  50. Anonymous wrote:

    Was Pat Wann the only candidate who addressed the Council regarding, in her opinion, the bad direction Belmar was taking in negotiating a private taking of public property, better known as the “Brandywine project” that was being pushed by Colleen in order to help the infancy of the McGovern’s Administration?

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 1:36 pm | Permalink
  51. Belle wrote:

    #48 I think he would be in protest mode!!!

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 2:05 pm | Permalink
  52. Why wrote:

    How about the police do their job, and the Belmar inn can be less of a nuisance than a 5 story monster.When you don’t know what to do, be more Like Spring Lake.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
  53. Guest wrote:

    How does a “Contract Purchaser” even get a Zoning Board hearing? They do not own the land.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
  54. F.T.R. wrote:

    #53—– This is what I mean how are people on this blog making comments without reading applications and submissions, just based on assumption? If you read the application you will see that an applicant does not have to be an owner, the owner has to sign off on the application as well.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 3:44 pm | Permalink
  55. Jeopardy wrote:

    Take your project to Seaside Heights.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 3:49 pm | Permalink
  56. Liz LC Resident wrote:

    I am not supportive of this plan as the height seems excessive and agree with others that it would be an eyesore. Wouldn’t this also add to the traffic, noise and give a green light for more and more of 4 stories condos being built.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
  57. Summer Timer wrote:

    These are 6 conforming lots.. How does North End Builders buy similar lots and build wonderful new single family homes and make a profit… It is one of two ways…. a) They are much smarter than these developers…. b) The group doing this project are just flat out GREEDY…. Neither choice A or B is very flattering….

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 4:23 pm | Permalink
  58. Anonymous wrote:

    What is the allowable height limit on Ocean Avenue in Belmar residential area?

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 4:23 pm | Permalink
  59. B.D. wrote:

    After reading the negative comments of those close minded individuals just whining and complaining, maybe relax and listen to some music, I recommend an oldie but a goodie, Bob Dylan, a very wise and talented individual.

    Come writers and critics
    Who prophesize with your pen
    And keep your eyes wide
    The chance won’t come again
    And don’t speak too soon
    For the wheel’s still in spin
    And there’s no tellin’ who
    That it’s namin’
    For the loser now
    Will be later to win
    For the times they are a-changin’.

    Come mothers and fathers
    Throughout the land
    And don’t criticize
    What you can’t understand
    Your sons and your daughters
    Are beyond your command
    YOUR OLD ROAD IS
    RAPIDLY AGIN’
    Please get out of the new one
    If you can’t lend your hand
    For the times they are a-changin’.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 6:11 pm | Permalink
  60. anonymous wrote:

    FTR Do you remember KEY LARGO? MONTEGO BAY?and the BARCLAY? The first 2 problem bars that were purchased and HOMES were built,the Barclay was sold and slowly the new owners were edged out, to the point they sold and new HOMES were built. Now we have the Belmar Inn wanting to become 24 condo units. Even if the public was in favor how the hell did 3 properties across the street slide into the plan? Avon SL and Sea Girt are surrounding towns that would never allow this because as a whole their communities are all on the same page. Belmar is a mixed bag, you have million dollar homes with people who do not live and vote here,and you have illegals living in substandard homes that should never get COs.Throw in a bar that pays outside counties to legislate what’s good for us and I welcome you to Belmar. I am proud of the progress we have made but I also think we must proceed to the future wisely. I couldn’t wait for Bill Merkler to make it to the south side of town to buy up lots and build beautiful homes. Many of us supported Bill Merkler and I hope he can be a part of the solution. Get rid of Edelman and have Bill Merkler show them how it’s done. He may not make as big as a profit but the same outcome as those that were built on Montego Bay,Key Largo and The Barclay properties would benefit our neighborhood. If you really love this town it’s not just about the money. Maria and Joan love their homes and speak out not just because they have nothing better to do but because they deserve a good quality of life as we all do. REopening The Belmar Inn is a reflection on all of us!

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 6:27 pm | Permalink
  61. Katrina wrote:

    # 58. 35 feet. I believe they let a couple go to 37 in the last hot market. Pulled that back to 35. IfI’m wrong anyone please correct me.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 7:01 pm | Permalink
  62. F.T.R. wrote:

    #60- I know Bill Merkler and I think he has done great things for Belmar. I can not dictate what these investors do, I am in favor of their application and just simply pointing out that not everything is accurate reflection of the process or the application. Also, just as easy as people can focus on the negative I am focusing on the positives. Threats to the contract purchaser not the actual owner of the Belmar Inn and attacks on that principal(s) ability to develop a good project isnt fair. For any others who can chime in that have tried to develop a project may agree and let others know the costs expended not only to purchase and build, but to present an application to the Borough, require alot of time energy and effort, on top of tens of thousands of dollars in paying architects, engineers, attorneys and then tack on all the fees to the Borough to file an application. Realize that to, so if the contract purchaser chooses to walk away and then the Belmar Inn re-opens, no one wins least of all those individuals that expended a lot of money to take a chance to change a neighborhood. No one is doubting that they love their neighborhood, but I do believe they recognize that the Belmar Inn and the other animal houses do create a hazard on 12th and for them, but maybe instead of attacks everyone talks rationale person to person and finds a compromise. Weigh the pros and the cons and find away to meet in the middle, but respectively not like this was started with pitchforks against people with good intentions. You catch more flies with honey then you do with vinegar right?

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 7:34 pm | Permalink
  63. Anonymous wrote:

    #61, talk about town says 48′ after Sandy damage from ground level to peak.

    May be gossip though.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 7:50 pm | Permalink
  64. Anonymous wrote:

    #60 are you familiar with the trop pub, reggies or playland? I believe at least two of those 3 projects done within the last 15 years benefited this same exact neighborhood. Those projects benefited those homeowners on 12th/13th that have been there for 20 plus years. I mean they purchased their properties when there was a lot of non-conforming uses and commercial establishments, which I’m sure didn’t make parking traffic good yet that’s where they elected to buy a home. Their homes and quality of life has been enhanced because others took risks an chances to try to make it more of a year round community.

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:01 pm | Permalink
  65. Guest wrote:

    #63 – having done this recently it is 35’ above the flood plane for said property. Otherwise height variance is needed

    Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:28 pm | Permalink
  66. OLD MAN wrote:

    #59 and 62 It ain’t going to happen.Please go someplace else. Maybe to Hawaii where some property is really cheap now.

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 6:07 am | Permalink
  67. Summer Timer wrote:

    See the link below… This building is in Asbury Park, two bedroom one bath price tag 450k and it is three blocks to beach… This same building on the proposed Belmar lots will yield 550k per unit… Do the math, 24 units at 550k is 13.2 million dollars…. That is pure greed and does not justify the change to the neighborhood….
    https://www.weichert.com/76599430/

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 6:44 am | Permalink
  68. Anonymous wrote:

    Because that’s all profit? Do you think property and building a structure are free? Especially quality construction. Summertimer, you fit on here with all these other people just spitting out assumptions instead of facts to state your position. It’s ridiculous how all of the negative comments are based on assumptions, when it would take a person of any intelligence a few minutes to search and find the truth. You’re probably just upset because this is where you come and stay in the summer time and won’t know where to go to find a new place to stay I mean being a week before Memorial Day and all the good places are taken. Maybe the old man has a place for you.

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 7:37 am | Permalink
  69. OLD MAN wrote:

    #68 You think we don’t know there is cost of construction? My son is a CPA. Please give your definition of quality construction vs just regular construction. You are just like the other greedy people who don’t give a damn about the full timers. You are a very mean person and should go to Hawaii

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 8:37 am | Permalink
  70. Summer Timer wrote:

    #68…. Each building will net the developer in the area of 5 million dollars… This is only a good deal for the developer… The town will find a better deal…. Vote it down…

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 9:02 am | Permalink
  71. ALL TRUMPED UP wrote:

    It’s called GREED by all involved parties, from the seller of the property all the way down the food chain to the eventual seller, agent of the proposed condo. A property is only worth the potential value of the new construction minus the cost to build it, minus a fair fee (profit) to complete the project , all WHILE ABIDING BY LOCAL CODE/ZONING RULES. Apparently the seller of the property feels his property is worth more than it really is, and the buyer, investor, is willing to chance that this overpriced piece of property will yield him a hefty profit by circumventing current zoning rules, if agreed upon by the board. When I do the math, three lots may only be worth 250k each. Build a house for 600k and sell it for a mil. The profit is then 150k. Reasonable. Get my drift? GREED.

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 9:17 am | Permalink
  72. Old Planner wrote:

    Yes#64 I remember the 3 properties very well. Thank you for bringing attention how 2 of the properties built HOMES on conforming lots after they were redeveloped . Exactly what we are asking for. For your review
    Front yd.required 20′ Proposed 5.5
    Side Yd 5′ 2′
    Side Yd 15′ 8′
    Rear Yd 40′ 2′
    Height 35′ 57′
    Building Coverage 30% 80.88%
    Impervious 55% 94.4
    Floor area ratio 70% 265%

    In this case instead of correcting the variances to bring to conforming ,applicant is grossly over the requirements to not only keep non conforming but strongly increases !
    We do not know what percentage of this condo association will be allowed to rent their units out. I will try to locate the facts on a property 1 or 2 houses away from 109 12th that appeared before the planning board years ago. The applicant wanted 1-2 INCHES on her 2nd story for her laundry room. IT WAS REJECTED!!!!!HAHA 2 inches on her rear setback.She moved.God I hope she is alive to see this. Again the resolution goes with the property not the person. Once granted there is no turning back.They are saying the numbers don’t add up to purchase and make money. I say the numbers I presented above from the applicant don’t add up to conforming use . Build conforming and build HOMES as you said and we all win.
    And to Bob Dylan what a sad song ,cave and accept those who have power and money.Where are all the environmentalists with all the coverage!Call Joni Mitchell to put up the parking lot!

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 10:29 am | Permalink
  73. Summer Timer wrote:

    The group doing this are referred to as Seagull Developers….. They fly in s##t all over the place and fly out…

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 10:46 am | Permalink
  74. Anonymous wrote:

    Condos would just add to much chaos and negate the small town feel of Belmar.
    Ban this project

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
  75. Terry Pierce wrote:

    It would seem that the neighborhood has every right to worry about the Inn but
    bigger worries with what is being offered. With the variances being asked for and those allowed there should not be that size building in any area.It
    is sad that people by a home raise their families and spend their older ages battling for survival in their old
    neighborhoods. Answer always is you
    can move if you don’t like it. HA.
    Not good enough anymore. Why isn’t this project before the planning board? Are these projects also being given the
    tax abatements? And to criticize people
    because they are not happy is no way to do business. I think Taylor and 10th Ave. may have something to do with it also. Just a thought.

    Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 10:38 pm | Permalink
  76. Katrina wrote:

    If a project of this height and scope is allowed, there will be no way to stop its spread. There is the old Trop lots. That will be next.
    It is a very dangerous precedent.
    The height is absolutely insane!
    Where is the environmental concerns?
    I thought we were supposed to be MORE diligent after Sandy!

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 8:47 am | Permalink
  77. Eugene Creamer wrote:

    usually, the Zoning Board is a thankless job when done correctly …. members make few friends, other than themselves, because they must say NO to some applicants.

    it appears to me that the Zoning Board members can uphold the Zoning Ordinance and make more friends by saying NO to these 2 projects.

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 11:13 am | Permalink
  78. Anonymous wrote:

    I don’t think the zoning board has any option but to deny this project even if the scope was massively reduced in size or even self sustained…such as not utilizing any public parking, making road improvements, etc. This type of project should be spelled out in the master plan with zoning laws and designated land areas adopted by the governing body after proper review by the public. NOT ALLOWING SPOT VARIANCES (aka spot zoning) BY INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS. For something like this to be under consideration makes me sick. This developer had to speak with zoning board members or town officials to get it this far before submitting an application.

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 2:53 pm | Permalink
  79. Anonymous wrote:

    Genius posting on this blog. Hate to see it go to NH.

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
  80. Sky is the limit wrote:

    Vote them all out.

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
  81. watchman wrote:

    But if Zoning Board members are political appointees…to whom do they answer and who pulls their strings? Is Doherty really gone? Lets hope they do the right thing.

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
  82. Clowns wrote:

    Read this old article,We have been dealing with these clowns for years now.Stolen Taylor Pavilion.

    https://patch.com/new-jersey/manasquan/belmar-scales-back-pavilion-plans-eliminating-8th-ave-building-from-beachfront

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 5:47 pm | Permalink
  83. Anonymous wrote:

    Beach Restoration Committee Chairman MCGOVERN.

    Thank you Brian for the Catering Hall at 5th Avenue Pavilion. YPOS.

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 7:10 pm | Permalink
  84. Guest wrote:

    #82- that article has nothing to do with the board of adjustment to my knowledge. Connect the dots for me.

    Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 9:25 pm | Permalink
  85. Chris Wood wrote:

    Wait. The representative for the developer is referring to the strain on police and first aid responders imposed by the three single family houses and the Belmar Inn. But hasn’t the Belmar Inn already been shuttered?

    I understand the historical concerns the neighborhood had with the Belmar Inn, with its single room occupancies for some of our more unfortunate citizens. But since it’s now closed aren’t those concerns now just irrelevant history?

    So the choice is 48 units with buildings twice as high as any in the neighborhood verses 3 single family homes. Sorry Mr. Edelman but If I still lived in that neighborhood I decidedly would NOT feel thankful for these large buildings.

    Hey 12th Ave! Are you feeling thankful??

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:35 am | Permalink
  86. F.T.R. wrote:

    #85—- Just an FYI the BElmar Inn is currently shut down, in the event the deal falls through with the contract purchaser the current owners will cure all the defects and re-open to what it was. Because they were under contract they choose not to spend the monies to cure the defects. It can be re-opened once those violations are cured.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:21 am | Permalink
  87. Anonymous wrote:

    Hold off any developments and hearing until after January 2019.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:25 am | Permalink
  88. Developer wrote:

    12th Ave residents: I’m here to save you from yourself. You may not be thankful now but in time you’ll see that I need to make more than a middle class profit. (Have you ever seen middle class developers? No.) Every day that you have lived in your modest homes by the beach, you should have known you were living on developer territory. One day, long after you’re forced out, you’ll come back and show your grand kids the spot where your house used to be. They’ll say wow grandma, that must have been a looong time ago. Now let’s catch an uber to the parking garage and get on the road. You’re welcome.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:58 am | Permalink
  89. Amy Louhier wrote:

    I have watched the progress in Belmar over the last 20 years and as the town continues to take steps toward further progress, I am confident that the right decisions will be made for the bigger picture. That picture being increased property values, lower crime rates, added revenue for local business all year round just to name a few. As a local realtor, it is the reason I have chosen to move to Belmar and be a part of the continued progress. Change is often uncomfortable for many but I know from experience that most times, we look back with much gratitude for what we gain from it.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 10:32 am | Permalink
  90. OLD MAN wrote:

    #86,#88,#89 most people living here like the idea of a small town with nice neighbors. You make me laugh. You guys have only one concern…MONEY

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:10 am | Permalink
  91. Anonymous wrote:

    #89. I’m a realtor. Enough said.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:17 am | Permalink
  92. Borgia familia wrote:

    Guess Real Estate history is not a part of the Current licencees curriculum.

    A review of the summer housing stock in the 50’s, 60’s 70’s and 1/2 of the 80’s will reveal family oriented housing rentals where entertainment was at outside venues not front porch debauchery. In the 2nd half of the 80’s the slumlords purchased many properties and converted much of the town to Fort Lauderdale North labeling. It took Kenny + 20 years to weed out the vermin renters who were rowdy, all or nothing, we own Belmar culture to change. Mcdirty’s people wanted it to return to the Whaa whoos for their pals to profit. Please God help us. Stop the split culture than can infect the North and South. Divided you will fall.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
  93. Developer wrote:

    Old Man – take a nap and read again – my post is satirical;)

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
  94. Tom Dilberger wrote:

    #88 – Yep, I got it. You’re right unfortunately.
    ———————————-
    #90 – Yep, your right unfortunately. Everything is all about MONEY now. Nothing else matters, also unfortunately.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
  95. Amy Louhier wrote:

    It is worth pointing out that of the statement that I made, only once piece was selected by Anonymous. When we pull apart information without reviewing and educating ourselves on the whole picture, we often come to the wrong conclusions….

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
  96. Big ones wrote:

    Just like the liberal democraps,go Trump

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 3:13 pm | Permalink
  97. Greedy wrote:

    The Planning Board consists of 9 members and 2 alternates. The members are:

    Mayor Matthew Doherty
    Councilman Brian Magovern
    Ed Windas, Chairman
    Mike Campbell, Director of Public Works
    Chris Hoffman
    Tom Burke
    Judy Rokoszak
    Rick Meyer, Vice Chairman
    Thea Sheridan
    Robert Forte – Alternate
    Larry Reynolds – Alternate
    The Planning Board Attorney is Douglas Kovats, Esq.

    The Planning Board Secretary is April Claudio

    Meetings

    The Planning Board meets on the 3rd Monday of every month unless otherwise noted. Meetings begin at 7:00 pm and are held in the courtroom in the municipal building.

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 7:33 pm | Permalink
  98. OLD MAN wrote:

    #93 I’m serious get lost. You will not win this one. I don’t need naps …just aspirins

    Monday, May 21, 2018 at 7:57 pm | Permalink
  99. anonymous wrote:

    GREEDY please post Board of Adjustment Members .This is where 111 10th avenue CONDOS,the Belmar INN CONDOS and 402 !5th ave 16 CONDOS hearings will be heard and decided not planning board.Thank You
    Belmar Inn 48
    Belmar Hotel 16
    111 10th 10-12 not sure of exact number

    Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 8:04 am | Permalink
  100. Taxpayer wrote:

    Is 111 10th Avenue the dump behind the Mayfair?

    Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 8:33 am | Permalink
  101. Joan Corallo wrote:

    Amazing. 100 comments. Is this a hot topic or what. Meeting is Wed. May 23rd. 7 pm. Borough hall.

    Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 12:35 pm | Permalink
  102. Aileen Fahy wrote:

    I’ll be at my Board of Ed meeting. I’ll follow up on progress for future revenue from PILOTs. Thanks for pressing other boards regarding the runaway development. I hope to be at the next one.

    Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

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