Was is Wednesday, November 20th like this piece says?
Just wondering because someone (I don’t know who) OPRAed the permits and approvals, including the CO, also on November 20.
And it looks like the CO wasn’t issued until two days later, November 22.
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I noticed it open and operating on the evening of the 19th. I guess it’s possible that I’m wrong about the date but I’m almost 100% positive. Maybe they got a temp CO prior to getting official CO?
I would think any temporary CO issued would have been part of the OPRAed materials.
Food License issues?
the NJ League of Municipalities Convention was Nov 19-21 in Atlantic City
Off Topic: today I saw DPW planting vegetation right next to the boardwalk on the south side of town. Why is this being done? Brennan is a know-nothing hack. It is widely known amongst environmental agencies and scientists that vegetated dunes are only effect when they are roughly 50 to 100 yards away from the structure they are intended to protect. This incompetence is staggering.
wow! scandalous! whom do we hang for this? (insert eyeroll here)I think it is time to stop this blog. I guess there is nothing bigger to complain about? If you do renew, call it “Constant Complainers of Belmar.”
#6 – I see this as a place to do some occasional, harmless venting and some positive cheers. There’s really not a large group of people reading this. Why shut it down? Do you only want to read things you like and which meets with your approval?
First Amendment does not apply to private companies, just the government.
Having said that, people get so ticked off here. If you don’t like a post or an article, just ignore it.
#6 I agree that there are much bigger things going on in the town and people here seem to be very focused on a sub shop.
There is a council meeting Dec 3rd to decide if 4 stories is ok on the east side of main or directly next to residential lots. It will decide whether the town can spot-zone individual lots to allow whatever the developer wants.
These are big precedents to set folks!
I don’t publish every meeting agenda? I don’t publish video of every Council meeting? Am I or the readers ignoring development issues?
Unbelievable how the simple act of opening a new sub shop in this town can create such an uproar. Sign of the times!
It’s all about the redevelopment
#8 Did you honestly write that ‘the First Amendment doesn’t apply to private companies, just the government’? The First Amendment actually applies to EVERYONE. Public or private, a government agency or a private company, a religious group or a charitable organization- we all have the right of free speech and expression. Yes, if you say something inappropriate or untrue or vile, you may lose your job or your post or your position (all organization either public or private have the right to fire people)- but you won’t be arrested. The First Amendment does have restrictions- you cannot us it to put others in immediate danger- “you can’t yell fire in a crowded movie theater” – but other than that, we can all speak freely. It is the cornerstone of this great country.
#6- If I owned an eating establishment in town, and I followed all the rules, and attained all the proper permits- I would be VERY interested if a competitor was either a) breaking the rules with impunity or b) receiving preferential treatment from town officials. So, what may be a molehill to you is possibly a mountain to someone else. If the sub shop did not start selling food to the public before they obtained a certificate of occupancy, then no harm no foul. But if they did…well that is actually a pretty big deal.
thanks admin
the fast food sub shop is a permitted-use violation of the Seaport Redevelopment Plan and may seem a frivolous matter to some…
But, ask yourself…
What confidence do I have that any Belmar redevelopment plan would be followed and enforced?
Mr. Creamer, to your point, the Council needs to enforce the use restrictions and not let this go unchallenged. The plan states clearly that there will be no use variances permitted. The developer is responsible for the violation . I know what I would do.
The question is: is it a fast food joint. 1. I’m not sure if there is an official definition of fast food for us to follow, and 2. perhaps this this is being confused with chain restaurants. If it’s chain restaurants, or franchises we don’t allow, where do we draw the line? Corner Baglery is a chain, and we all know about Playa Bowls which started in lil’ old Belmar and could one day have more franchises than Mike’s. I agree that it’s better to have mom and pop stores, but I’m not sure this one is going against the fast food rule…which brings me to my next point that I can’t say enough: we need to update the Master Plan.
#16 The food businesses that you mentioned are not in the Seaport Redevelopment Zone and hence not relatable to the fact of the inappropriateness of Jersey Mikes, which is in the referenced zone, where such establishments are not allowed. Was the zoning official aware? Is he doing his job? Was the developer aware of “the rules”?
Mr. Buccafusco I agree with you 100%, it is not a permitted use and the developer, Depeepee thinks he can do whatever he wants. I guess hes in bed with big shot zoning officer Cincelli who approved it.
So Jersey Mike’s is not a permitted use where Strollo’s once was?
Hi y’all,
#19 – such a valid point and the new building with the exception of the nightmare diagonal parking spots is a huge improvement over the dumpy building that was there before.
Wikipedia’s definition of fast food.
“Fast food is term used for a kind of food that people eat from a restaurant, cafe, or take-out where food is served quickly. The restaurants that sell fast food are called “fast food shops” or “fast food restaurants”.
So, by definition, that’s half or more of Main Street!
Some folks on the blog have mentioned “Franchises”. I read the seaport redevelopment plan and the word “Franchises” is not mentioned …only fast food.
For those of you that have alluded to franchises in the bashing of the new sub shop… here’s a list of franchises or multi unit corporations in town. All fast food in nature.
Strollos
Playa Bowl
Surf Taco
Dunkin Donuts
10th Ave Burritos
7-11(which btw serves food with no bathroom access..clearly in violation of the Health Codes)
Dairy Queen
Windmill
Kleins (Kleins on Main wasn’t fast food?)
Im okay with all of them and “the new sub shop”… may they all prosper!
It is my opinion that the Development Plan
failed to use the correct verbiage in it’s use of the term Fast Food. I believe that the participants in creating the Redevelopment Plan used the words Fast Food as a way to avoid the big chains coming into town such as McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Wendy’s, and Taco Bell. Good plan for the town just used a bad choice of words.
Happy Thanksgiving ! Think I’ll have me a turkey sub now lol!
Thank you Sam. What is your position on them opening and serving food to the public prior to obtaining a certificate of occupancy? That was left out of your analysis and was the original point of this post.
Our focus should be on the Mayor and what his position is on the opening prior to the issuance of the CO. He needs to be pressed on what actions he will take regarding the failure of Zoning Officials to follow the development regulations and Seaport Plan. His credibility and integrity, as well as that of the zoning dept will be severely damaged if nothing is done, in my opinion of course.
Simple answer. There was an error on the date. Now move onto something more important like cutting the budgets of each department.
23- Ok, sorry for spending time on this. I thought perhaps it was a fairly big deal but I didn’t realize that you had knowledge of the date being entered wrong on the CO. Thank you for clearing up. Out of curiosity, how did you find out that is what happened?
Also, we can be interested in solving the budget issue AND try to figure out if a local business got preferential treatment from the town officials. We’re pretty good at multitasking.
and it is FAST FOOD! … yesterday, I parked in the handicap space, purchased a #8 Club Sub and was back to the van in less than 3 minutes … faster than a drive-thru and you don’t need to deal with a squawk box.
#20 1,500 locations is a major franchise. No rules, like all the illegal menu signs screwed into our boardwalk.
#21 Remember our building and zoning are part time positions I think we need to know when the final inspections were done if all inspections were done prior to opening I do not see a problem.I do not believe there was any special treatment the construction of that space was done by jersey mikes contractor not the developer of the building.
#26…. reread my post please! Franchises are not mentioned in the redevelopment plan only the term “Fast Food” in my opinion meaning the block and mortar independent structures like Burger King, Wendy’s, Taco Bell etc. Mr. Right I’m not sure what ur point is ?
People. Please. Stop it. Do you really think the town is going to throw Jersey Mikes out of a building owned by Depep in violation of the agreement?? Not. They will just change/clarify the rules. And if some of you big mouths had voted for Jim Bean perhaps then you would have had a chance to bring some fairness to this political BS. Look in the mirror and blame yourself.
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